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Polluted Mire enters the battlefield tapped.
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Polluted Mire Discussion
1 month ago
Needs more Rat Colony
With only 6 Relentless Rats you need half of your total number on the battlefield to even make them 4/4s. Most of the time they will be 3 mana 2/2s. You need a critical mass of Relentless Rats--at least 20. If you want to dedicate only a small portion of your deck to the Relentless effect, then Rat Colony is much better; unlike Relentless Rats it benefits from any rat you control, including Marrow-Gnawer's tokens. Pack Rat is also superior if you have many non-Relentless Rats.
Rat Colony is strictly better than Swarm of Rats. It's also generally better than Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Muck Rats, Nezumi Cutthroat (fear isn't worth a large power loss and "can't block", especially when Marrow-Gnawer provides fear), Pestilence Rats (Rat Colony gets +2/-2 under most conditions and costs 1 less), and Earsplitting Rats (not enough graveyard/discard synergies).
I'm not sure how Shriveling Rot serves the deck.
There are two Cabal Strongholds, so one needs to come out. Cycling lands--Barren Moor, Polluted Mire, and Desert of the Glorified--hedge against land-heavy draws. Some cheap utility/value lands like Zhalfirin Void, Encroaching Wastes, Mystifying Maze, or Temple of the False God might be good over some number of Swamps too.
Phyrexian Tribute -> Scour from Existence, Unstable Obelisk. I know black is bad with artifacts, but there is a reason Phyrexian Tribute is in 55 edh decks, and the other two are in over 5000 each, and it isn't just color restriction. They cover all five permanent types instead of just one, including the equally hard-for-black enchantments. Requiring two creatures to sacrifice, Phyrexian Tribute isn't even always easier to cast, and it's effect is far less flexible.
Speaking of Unstable Obelisk, more mana ramp would be prudent, like Wayfarer's Bauble, Mind Stone, and Commander's Sphere. Bontu's Monument isn't Jet Medallion, but is still worthwhile with 27 creatures.
I don't think there are enough graveyard synergies to make Living Death appropriate.
Night Dealings is slow, does nothing if the battlefield isn't somewhat favorable, can potentially get removed, makes you reveal, and can't get lands. Razaketh's Rite and Mastermind's Acquisition tutor with no fuss. If you want slow, multi-card tutoring, Diabolic Revelation, Demonic Collusion, and Increasing Ambition are reliable options. Although none feature Nezumi in their art.
1 month ago
Like many of us I'm sure, I'm considering a Muldrotha, the Gravetide build and came across an interesting conundrum.
I could run 12 cycling lands in the deck:
I'd almost certainly not run the less efficient Blasted Landscape and with Ash Barrens and Fetid Pools occupying a different sort of design space (and basically being shoo-ins!) I wondered about the pros and cons of the others.
costing // OR // OR raises the question of what is the most useful or most efficient, whether indeed they all have a place.
What is everyone's thoughts on these various cycling types, how/if they belong in this commander, or others and why? I've looked for discussion on this on Google and have come up with very little so if anyone has links they can post too that would be interesting...
3 months ago
Geier reach sanitarium looks great, ill have to add that to my list. do you think that Crop Rotation would be a good way to find it, or another utility land?
Another all star land for me has been Yavimaya Hollow. I would recommend getting one as its great for protecting hapatra. its a little pricey, but totally worth it. Ive justified the price tag but just rotating it throughout all my green decks. I cut Whispersilk Cloak for the Sword of Feast and Famine, not sure this was the right cut but i still have Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots in the list. Do you think these 3 are necessary for protection?
I added Bitterblossom to my list as I think that your logic in needing more token producers is correct. Having flying blockers is relevant as well. I also added Westvale Abbey Flip and removed Rogue's Passage. passage seemed nice as a way to make hapatra unblockable but the activation cost is just too high for this deck and I never used it much.
I also wanted to recommend Forbidden Orchard. It helps to color fix, is an untapped land, and is great for putting more targets into play for -1/-1 counters. I find alot of times i run out hapatra on turn 2 and there are no other targets besides her to put a counter on, so this should help with that.
Also if you want another cycling land we can put in Polluted Mire.
How has Slate of Ancestry been working? I put it in my list but it seems kinda slow, although I haven't been able to really use it yet.
Sounds like life from the loam has been great. Honestly, I've never used this type of dredge strategy and I'm worried about discarding a win con ( like craterhoof or the archfiend) when dredging. What are your thoughts on this? is the risk worth the reward here? Maybe more recursion is correct if life from the loam is included?
I agree that the creature count is low. I've played a few games where I have nothing to discard to fauna shaman or survival. And Undead Gladiator looks like a great inclusion.
I cant think of many other creatures to recur to our hand, maybe Genesis? discarding it will turn on the ability we want anyway. How about something like Evolutionary Leap? With all the tokens we should be able to activate it multiple times in a turn if necessary to get some creatures into the hand.
Golgari Guildmage could work but its an expensive activation cost.
Sanitarium Skeleton could work as a creature to discard and return to hand.
Stinkweed Imp is a nice utility creature but dredging 5 seems too high for this deck.
Could Grave-Shell Scarab work here?
Its too bad that we don't have more creatures with relevant keywords for something like Mwonvuli Beast Tracker. its a nice creature tutor along with Fierce Empath. Actually, fierce empath might be nice for finding hulk or craterhoof. I guess if we are looking to up the creature count these could be nice utility guys but you're probably right in using wood elves and steve as utility creatures to ramp and possibly discard later on in the game if necessary.
3 months ago
General Recommendations: Coat of Arms, Door of Destinies, Metallic Mimic, Vanquisher's Banner, Konda's Banner, Adaptive Automaton, Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle, Indulgent Aristocrat, Sanctum Seeker, Profane Procession, Bloodline Keeper Flip, Necropolis Regent, Secure the Wastes, Martial Coup, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Elspeth Tirel, Darien, King of Kjeldor, Heliod, God of the Sun, Ravos, Soultender, Vona, Butcher of Magan , Debtors' Knell, Merciless Eviction, Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, Teysa, Orzhov Scion, Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter, Deathbringer Liege, Righteous War, Pillar of Origins, Cavern of Souls, Unclaimed Territory (meh), Intangible Virtue (meh), Kindred Boon (meh), Eldrazi Monument (meh).
Austere Command, because you can save your tokens.
Strionic Resonator mainly for your general, but it can work for anything that triggers.
I won't try to sell this to you that much, but Mirage Mirror or Mirror of the Forebears can have some trickery to it if you play it right. Can also feel bad if you don't have any creatures on the field.
6 months ago
6 months ago
Lands and Mana
First off, I don't recommend going above 37. Your curve is currently under 3.0, so you could go as low as 35, but start with 37.
Second, basics are always a great alternative. using the top right pie chart, mapping 37 basics to the color distribution of your nonlands isn't terrible. If I advocate cutting something but you don't like/can't get what I recommend, I'd say basics are better.
- Bottomless Pit
- Dwarven Hold
- Sunscorched Desert
- Sand Silos
- Mountain Valley (can only fetch a mountain, so worse than a basic Mountain
- Irrigated farmland (lol)
I like basics more than the above. They either slow, don't do enough, etc.
Look to add:
- Friendly Lands: Dragonskull Summit, Drowned Catacomb, and Sulfur Falls. When running a lot of basics and duals, these always come into play untapped.
- Tango Lands: Sunken Hollow and Smoldering Marsh. These also should come into play untapped, and have basic land types, which are useful over time.
- Amonkhet cyclers: Canyon Slough and Fetid Pools. Cycling is great when you have enough mana and topdeck this, but all color-producing cycling lands come into play tapped. These are dual color and have basic lands types, so they're better than stuff like Polluted Mire, but it might be good to run the mono-color stuff, too.
- Storage Lands: Dreadship Reef and Molten Slagheap. These are categorically better than what you run, and are decent when you're out of use for open mana.
- Higher budget things, like fetches and shocklands: Steam Vents, Blood Crypt, and Watery Grave. On-color fetches are the most important, then off color and shocks are equally important. Once you get fetches, stuff like the Tango lands and cycling lands with basic lands types are a lot better.
Get all artifacts that product colored mana that cost 2 to cast. Signets, talismans, diamonds, etc., are great way to get out of the gate faster and let you run a lower land count. 37 land and Sol Ring is good, 37 lands and 6 mana stones is far better. In your colors, you'll be able to discard them off for better things in the late game.
There's always more, but I'd start here.
8 months ago
9 months ago
I like the super budget, but still effective deck. I'd immediately add Drownyard Temple, which you can sacrifice to Gitrog and then pay 3 to get it back.
Other suggestions for lands would be to add all of the black/green/colorless cycle lands (i.e. Polluted Mire, Slippery Karst, Tranquil Thicket, Barren Moor, Ash Barrens, Blasted Landscape, Desert of the Indomitable, and Desert of the Glorified. I'd also consider any of the lands that either sacrifice to get you more mana or lands Evolving Wilds/Jund Panorama None of them are more than $0.20 or so on TCG Player, and are super available. There are way more than this, but these are the ones you're most likely to find for cheap, and avoids fetch lands.
I won't tell you how to build your deck, but this is definitely a way to add some extra card draw and advantage to your deck.