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Tap: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield. If you control ten or more lands, flip Budoka Gardener.
Budoka Gardener Discussion
4 weeks ago
I am having issues with my deck showing 1/1 red elemental tokens when I’ve got a Budoka Gardener that produces x/x GREEN elemental tokens
1 month ago
Hi, I hope that at least some of what i'm going to put here will be useful, and even if you don't use any of my advice then maybe you will be able to see where I am coming from and use the logic to find your own improvements :)
As the previous commenter has suggested the amount of ramp spells that put lands in to play in your deck is a bit to low for a ramp deck especially one that has subthemes of landfall. Typical commander deck building suggestions say that you should have 10 pieces of ramp to tide you into the midgame. This goes for any deck, not just ramp decks. In ramp decks you will want more. At my count you have 12 ramp cards that are reusable (ie, aren't the one shot sacrifice elemntals) this will want to be more really, with a focus on them being ones that put lands in to play. Another of note, is that cards like Zendikar Resurgent don't really count as a ramp slot, as by the time we can cast it, we have a lot of mana already. 'Ramp' cards are ones that you want to see in your opening hand to get you into your game plan faster.
For this reason I would look into replacing some of the creature based ramp and some other low impact cards with this ramp that will get us executing our main game plan faster and better.
These can all be easily replaced with land based ramp spells as they don't get you any further ahead on mana than 1 land, or are one shot abilities when we want to be dropping big things multiple times over multiple turns.
Smokebraider Is unique because it produces 2 mana for only 2 investment, but only if we focus in on elemtals so can be left on a short list to be evaluated. We'll list other potential cuts later when looking at more over all deck evaluation.
The previous commentor has provided a list which at first glance seems to be comprehensive enough to provide some ideas for what to add.
More conventional commander wisdom suggests that you have at least 5 ways to directly interact with your opponents game plan. I personally nearly always play more than this, but you should have at least 5. This direct interaction is preferred to be the targetted simgle response cards that can remove threats in any shape or form. Of note, this removal count is seperate from the count of mass removal. At my count you have Song of the Dryads , the down tick of Domri, Anarch of Bolas and Ingot Chewer as easily accessable removal. Things like the trigger from your commander or things like Magmatic Force are more incedental as you can't rely on them doing what you want when you need it.
Cards that could be added in this slot are many. But it is a good idea to have as many as you can being generic answers to anything, but also you need to make sure that they are ones you can realistically weave into your game plan instead of leaving up those answers at all times. This is mostly a balncing act that is where fine tuning comes in from playing the deck. But potential recommendations for all purpose would be Beast Within and Chaos Warp . After that they become more specific but can be cheaper in mana,
- Nature's Claim
- Domri's Ambush
- Force of Vigor
- Krosan Grip
- Hull Breach
- Broken Bond
- Reclamation Sage
This may seem counterintuitive, seen as you are planning on being the big creature deck that wants the board presence. But sometimes the opponents boards just need answering (Not to mention that you might end up getting a lot of elemental death triggers from Omnath). As such having 2 or 3 creature wraths might be worth trying. And having 2 or 3 artifact and enchantment wraths will be good to have access to aswell. Something you already have so I assume you already know.
Creature wraths to consider in green red include
- Blasphemous Act
- Chandra's Ignition
- Chain Reaction
- Savage Twister - This one is representative of X cost ones that are interesting to try as it gives you the oppertunity of clearing out small creatures while keeping yours alive if you would prefer. Another one that can also be used to finish of players is Rolling Earthquake
You already have the cards for mass removing artifacts and enchantments so I won't bother listing any more.
One of the most common recommendations I have to make to people about their deck is to up the amount of card draw or selection in their decks. There is no point in having sweet cards and synergies in here if we never get to see them! Normally I recommend having 10 ways of drawing cards in your deck, with some of them being repeating and some being one shot. At my count you currently have 7 (Or 8 if you count Praetor's Counsel which can do effectively a similar job), so you are nearly there but I would recommend adding a couple mr just to smooth out the deck running.
- Harmonize is the most obvious recommendation withit being notorious for its colour pie break with not haveing a restriction based on creatures or similar.
- Horn of Greed is universal, but we should be getting more value from it.
- Greater Good is amazing if you keep having big creatures to sacrifice. Thankfully due to our commander triggers, we do!
- Chandra, Flamecaller can cover multiple bases of what we need, it can be counted as both a wrath AND a card draw engine :) IT also even makes elementals (of note, they get exiled at end step instead of dieing so you won't normally get Omnath triggers. Sacrificing them to Greater Good though....... )
- Rishkar's Expertise can be great card draw as you don't need to take a full turn off to refuel, you still get to cast something that costs less, which could be that removal spell or something you needed!
These overview sections are recommendations for generic cards that could go in. From here on, we will be looking at more specific card options, and possible cuts from the existing deck
Now, again as the previous commentor mentioned, there are multiple ways you can take an Omnath deck. My take on them being
- RG Big thing Ramp. No specific synergies in mind except for incidental ones like, I need land to cast my big spells, and this card cards about land. Not a bad deck by any means, just less commander or theme focused.
- Elemental Tribal Ramp. This seems to be closer to what you are currently going for. Similar to the RG ramp deck, just with tribal synergies from elementals
- Landfall / Lands Matter. Here we are focusing on many landfall triggers, and keep cycling our lands round and round to get them. This deck will likke having access to things like Crucible of Worlds and many effects like Exploration
Here, i will suggest some cards for each of them and maybe later on if you want we could look more into one or a mix of these strategies.
- Ruric Thar, the Unbowed This card is very very powerful. Expecially as the decks around you get more and more powerful and wanting to do more combo and storm bsaed strategies.
- Gruul Ragebeast A good way of keeping the board under control when you play your 'large and incharge' creatures
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger We have mana, they don't. Enough said really. Just beware that with this creature, sometines the adage If you can't remove the problem, remove the player can be applied to just killing you.
Other than ones recommended here, perhaps a good idea would be to use Gatherer or mtg.wtf to find elementals in your colour. Or cards which reference elementals in your colours, the example in wtf would be this
- Chandra, Acolyte of Flame can rebuy your ramp spells and can make elementals that will die to trigger Omnath.
- Chandra, Awakened Inferno A wrath that doesn't kill elementals and can provide a reasonable clock on the game with her uptick.
- Omnath, Locus of Mana Store mana for a rainy day. Or for hitting your opponents upside the head with it. Both work.
- Parallel Lives Double the tokens, double the elementals, double the damage. We like.
- Tornado Elemental clears out any things like Dragons, or Flying Slivers or similar. Also good at picking of planeswalkers as it has sudo unblockable.
- Liege of the Tangle we can go REALLY all in on making all our lands elementals and meaning that if someone wraths us we can basically kill everyone from Omnath triggers
- Budoka Gardener Ramp early game, big guys late game.
This deck idea might have elements that are closer to a combo deck than the others, but will still mostly be a midrange deck.
- Perilous Forays With your commander out this card is bonkers. But if we are making other elemental tokens too then we can truly get going somewhere
- Crucible of Worlds , Ramunap Excavator , Life from the Loam Allow you to play the lands from your graveyard after we have sacrificed them for effects. Also makes always hitting your lands drops easier if you are playing and sacrificing a fetch land
- Exploration , Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya all ways to play more lands per turn
- Cavalier of Flame can be card draw and synergizes with lands in graveyard. As well as being an elemental!
- Scapeshift lots of triggers all at once
- Splendid Reclamation if we are sacrificing lands then this gets them all back. Very good after a scapeshift
- Amulet of Vigor makes some of our ramp a lot more effective, while at the same time providing a good combo with Perilous Forays and Omnath, Locus of Rage Of recommendation if you run a lot of land recursion effects then other lands that sacrifice themselves might be worth it. Like Wasteland Strip Mine etc
I won't re-list the cuts recommeneded in the ramp section. I will be evaluating cuts in the assumption that the deck is wanting to be a combination of an elementals ramp deck and a lands value deck. A lot of these recomendations for cuts will have very similar reasonings, which I will elaborate on first to be able to be brief later on. These recommendations will possibly sound rather brutal, however I find that it makes it a lot easier to have too many cards that are on the cutting block rather than not enough.
- Too Slow. If the card takes too many turns to start pulling its weight then it could be replaced with something that does what we need sooner. This is common in cards which have 'at the beginning of your upkeep' effects as they will normally have to wait an entire turn cycle to start doing something. Enters the battlefield triggers or similar things that have an effect the turn you play them are often preferred.
- Too expensive. This should be self explanatory. If the card costs too much mana, especially if the same effect can be achieved for less mana then it should be exmined.
- Doesn't do enough. While the effect might be interesting and maybe something we actually want in the deck, The card just doesn't pull its weight in whatever role it is supposed to be doing
- Doesn't contribute to our game plan This might be a good card, maybe even a great card in other decks. But perhaps the effect just isn't one we need in this deck
- Cytoplast Root-Kin Too slow. Doesn't contribute to our game plan.
- Dragonmaster Outcast Too slow. Doesn't do enough
- Grazing Gladehart Doesn't do enough. While we like landfall triggers. The life gain is small enough to be negligable unless we are massrecycling all lands from our yard multiple times.
- Magmatic Force Too Slow.
- Magmaw Doens't contribute to our game plan / Doesn't Do enough. We can run other sac outlets if we want ways to sacrifice our elementals
- Scute Mob Possibly too slow. But I love me a scute mob so I'm fine with this staying in :D
- Spawnwrithe Doesn't do enough. However this one can stay in if you have found that you realistically get to connect with it at least twice to have four of them
- Tendershoot Dryad Doesn't contribute to our game plan. Though it is very good at gummin gup the board
- Tyrant of Discord Doesn't do enough. However if you change to having some ways to knock your opponents off of lands then the chances of this hitting multiple nonlands go up and its value does too. However there are enough control players where the onlything this will do is destroy a land at random
- Undergrowth Champion Deosn't do enough. It's got all the right keywords but thats about it
- Retreat to Kazandu Doesn't do enough. THe landfall idea is good, but putting 1 counter an a guy once or so a turn isn't worth the slot really
- Sword of the Animist Too Slow. We want this effect, but we aren't attacking multiple times in one turn so there are better effects to get lands from our deck. We don't neccessarily even have than many small creatures to equip this too to get it active early enough for the ramp to be that useful as ramp
- Animist's Awakening As much as i want this spell to ever be good. It's just not really at all.
- Journey of Discovery Too slow. For this to be actual search out ramp you need to entwine it which is then 6 mana. Any of the 4 mana double basics would be better here. Or just Explore type effects that cantrip too.
Turns out there is only slightly too much Nissa. (And not enough Chandra ;) ) All of the Nissas' contribute to our gameplan well except for Nissa, Voice of Zendikar . The general rule of Planeswalkers in commander is to assume that you will only get two activations if you are lucky. So with this one you will at best buff your team a little. Consider Garruk Wildspeaker instead maybe?
Other random Card Recommendations
- Boundless Realms All the rest of our lands from our deck? Yes please
- Sylvan Awakening We do this, then we overrun and nobody will be expecting it
- Genesis Wave As previously mentioned. It's the better Animist's Awakening
- The Mending of Dominaria More mass land recursion.
Well I hope some of this helped at least a little :)
2 months ago
2 months ago
For mono-green I always like Patron of the Orochi . Also, since you seem to be interested in getting a lot of lands/mana, maybe think about Budoka Gardener , Myojin of Life's Web , and Karametra's Acolyte .
2 months ago
A lot of my experience is in competitive formats as well as some high-powered EDH, where games last 3-7 turns or so before someone combos out to win. A lot of my advice comes from that perspective, where you need to make a strong impact by turn 3 or risk losing! Casual commander is pretty fun too, but my meta has weaponized itself.
When comparing cards, I find its pretty helpful to list their stats side by side, because they aren't exactly the same but fill similar roles
- Always 2 CMC vs somewhere between 1 and 8 CMC (you're not casting it unless there's 1 critter on board lol)
- Wipes small creatures vs wipes the entire board
- Same timing restrictions, same color, both deal damage to remove
The reason I prefer Pyroclasm is because the cost is always guaranteed to be 2, which is highly playable for removal. As metas get more competitive, they tend to run lower CMC spells, including creatures. You see a lot of 1 mana drop elves (llanowar, fyndhorn, deepshadow, avacyns pilgrim, birds, deathrite shaman, etc.) that can be wiped by Pyroclasm. You also see a lot of creatures with strong hate abilities that can be killed by pyroclasm too, like Hushwing Gryff Aven Mindcensor Notion Thief Collector Ouphe and more. Pyroclasm is strong at removing all the supporting creatures that lock down the board or accelerate opponents to wins.
Its very easy to trade a pyroclasm for 3 of your opponents creatures in the first couple turns. Getting that 3 for 1 is card advantage for you, because you've removed 3 while only spending 1. Blasphemous Act does the same thing, but against 3 creatures on the board it would cost 6 mana to cast, versus just 2 for pyroclasm. Blasphact certainly scales better with more creatures, and its more likely to kill a whole board, so there's trade offs. Also worth noting that Pyro will snag about 50% of commanders, but that number lowers in casual play (bigger pool of playable commanders in casual, more have higher toughness) I would choose to run Pyroclasm in the majority of cases too.
We can do the same thing with Greenwarden and Ewit too
- 3 CMC vs. 6 CMC
- Non-tribe vs. Tribal (relevant for tutoring, cost reducing, triggered/activated effects)
- Recurs on ETB vs. Recurs on ETB and exile from GY (niche but relevant)
- Bad beater vs. Pretty good beater
Again, I personally like Ewit better. There is no denying that Greenwarden is in tribe and has the extra effect, but I think the lower CMC is way more important. It means that you can play it for value during your early turns to recur a powerful spell. It also lets you generate a value engine sooner with Ghostly Flicker or Displace (you bounce ewit and something else, use ewit to get the flicker back), but honestly you could just run both. Recursion is strong enough and they're both pretty good cards! They are also great when you up the tutor density, because it lets you get more mileage from them.
As far as ramp goes, I want to give you a new perspective on how to look at it. Your goal is to play your commander as fast as possible so you can start using its abilities (pretty common for a lot of decks). There are certain pieces of ramp that get you your commander a turn before you would get them with others.
For example, if you play a land on turn 1 2 and 3, and a piece of ramp on turn 1 or 2, you get a turn 3 commander.
- Turn 1, land
- Turn 2, land + any of these (Signets, Talisman of Impulse , Talisman of Creativity , Talisman of Curiosity , Rampant Growth , Farseek , Nature's Lore , Three Wishes , Lotus Cobra )
- Turn 3, land + commander
Some of them even can tap for mana when they come in, letting you play other stuff too. Its also worth noting that a ramp piece on turn 1 AND 2 means you get a turn 3 commander before you play your land drop, which lets you get a landfall trigger immediately.
That isn't to say that Cultivate etc. are bad cards. But a cultivate turn 3 means a turn 4 commander, which would be possible with simple land drops turns 1-4. On the other hand, they give you a land to hand too, which helps guarantee more landfall triggers and also thins deck for better draws. In fact, I would just run more ramp pieces in general, so keep the ones you have and add in the talismans and rampant growth + variants and I'd say you're set!
Heroic Intervention is great in decks that can't run counterspells, basically decks without blue. In 90% of cases, you're going to use this as a counterspell, but the other 10% are dodging damage from creatures on the board (or abilities) or possibly using it to protect creatures while you're attacking. I think that a counterspell gives greater versatility overall, because you may also want to stop something that doesn't just target creatures, a la Winter Orb or Static Orb .
Release to the Wind has a lot of versatility. It can remove problem permanents for basically a turn, which can help greatly. Spot removal like Pongify outperforms it in terms of CMC and the guaranteed removal. Release to the Wind also lets you reuse ETB abilities of your own permanents, but this is rather expensive as you're paying the cost of the permanent + 3, whereas Ghostly Flicker is guaranteed to get the ETB effect for always 3 CMC. Release also lets you protect your own stuff from removal and exile, but once again, rather expensive. Its better on cheaper permanents for sure. It has an insane amount of flexibility for what it does though, which makes it worth a consider. I wouldn't run it but am not against the card being run.
2 months ago
draaien Its fine. This is actually my first EDH deck, so I'm always trying to learn how to make it better. I can definitely see why you suggested certain changes. Most of the non-elemental creatures were fillers to beef up the deck a bit. I feel like there should be a replacement for Budoka Gardener or at least another creature that does similar things. It does create elementals which is always good, but I feel that the odds of getting the combo before it would flip is somewhat unlikely.
3 months ago
@draaien Thanks for the suggestions. I will be sure to swap some things out for these amazing cards. But, what would I take out? I feel like I should swap
Omnath, Locus of Mana for Budoka Gardener
Lightning Greaves for Trade Routes ?
Scale Up for Retreat to Coralhelm
But other than that, I have no idea what else to change. Also, what would I remove, and add to get in more lands?
3 months ago
Hey, am considering building this deck as well so a +1 from me and i look forward to seeing this deck evolve. For starters one auto include in this deck is Fertilid allowing you to get a lot of lands with the commander. Everything from here on out depend on which way you want to build the deck. Me personnaly would run it very land focus as the elemental pay-off is quite meh without big land drop anyway. I see you are running the big land pay-offs ( Avenger of Zendikar , Rampaging Baloths )but no real big land drops. Besides that i see some very cool lands but maybe not enough lands for a landsdeck. I aim for 40 lands in a lands deck. To get 'big' land drops there is a pretty easy package starting with Scapeshift this is a all in one card getting you your good lands while allowing for some exlposiveness with the lands next to that wee have Splendid Reclamation with Zuran Orb or The Mending of Dominaria . An other good general card in this deck is Budoka Gardener as it makes elementals. With cards like Trade Routes and Retreat to Coralhelm you can also get infinite landfall triggers with the gardeners. Getting a Crucible of Worlds is higly worth it, it makes decks like these so much better.
I am not really versed in the elemental part of it all but there are some lords already printed Incandescent Soulstoke . Besides that i think that the nissa you already have in your deck is perfect for this deck.
Some more general remarks come in the ramp base. As a land deck you might want to consider getting some if not all of the signets and stone out of there and replacing it with some land ramp. I have a tatyova deck on here which is quite budget so you might get some inspiration from there.
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