Deck Help with Temur ramp burn deck
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Posted on July 30, 2020, 12:14 a.m. by NTakamura
I would like your advice on this deck, do you think there is too much going on? It is made in modern and is a Temur midrange ramp burn deck. It has ramp, burn and some Counterspell. I have been struggling with this deck as of late. I don’t know if it my luck or the deck. Any advice would be nice.
As a baseline, ramp decks - especially ones using mana dorks - are extremely vulnerable. They are hated out to an extreme by the "bolt the bird line", on top of loosing to "drwaing wrong half of the deck" even without aid from the opponent.
Frankly you MUST have some justification, that makes that vulnerability be worth it.
To give you an example elves can get away with this due to winning on t3, t4 through 1 creature getting killed.
Ponza can live with the problem as it locking out the opponent from his mana on t2 or latest at t3 makes itbstill worth the sacrifice.
Frankly your list has an uncanny resemblance to the card ponza played in its early days - if you gut the deck by removing all its interactions with lands.
Since then ponza added card selection (in Seasoned Pyromancer), and got some leaner threats to have better chances at casting said threat just in case they cannot ramp.
On top of all these issues, this decks runs "it doesnt do anything" cards.
Electrodominance does exactly NOTHING without suspend cards like Crashing Footfalls, Ancestral Vision, Restore Balance and the like.
Budoka Gardener
Flip is an extreme overpriced Sakura-Tribe Scout for all intents and purposes. Without a metric ton off effects that put lands in to plyy it never flips - i mean numbers like seen in mono green belcher decks.
Then add blue as a 3rd color to allow you to run counterspells in a deck that plans to spend all of its mana on its own turn, thus wont have mana to counter stuff.
Which is why counterspell decks run cards that have extreme low mana cost (have mana after casting it), like Delver of Secrets
Flip, cards with flash so they don't have to commit mana on their own turn to play threats, for example Restoration Angel, or cards that untap lands used to cast them, like Teferi, Hero of Dominaria or Wilderness Reclamation.
And Arcum's Astrolabe is BANNED.
Blood Moon is back, playing 3 colors with a grand total of TWO basic lands is just asking for trouble, attempt at your own peril.
P.s.: Sorry if i sounded harsh, modern is a high power format, with low tolerance for "messing around".
RG Ponza aka. RG midrange is a deck thats very succesful.
RUG delver/monkey grow is a good respectable temur deck running counterspells.
Its possible to have deck that you describe in your deck description, but not by randomly piling together cards.
You MUST consider how your card interact with each other and plan your deck around it to have ANY chance
And you must have a plan to deal with other decks that can be as opressively interactive as 8-rack, or as fast as infect, that will win on turn 2 if you leave it to its own devices.
July 31, 2020 7:14 p.m.
Xica I would like your help to make this deck better. I don’t want to spend any more then 180, at most for the entire deck. What can card do you think can help?
July 31, 2020 8:02 p.m.
Ditch blue, and use a fetcheless RG mana base, look up fetchless. storm for reference.
Stop using ramp cards that have a cmc higher than 1. Its bad enough to loose 1 mana ramp cards to removal, don't make the issue rose by losing even more tempo with them.
Cards like Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma
Even cards like Sakura-Tribe Elder are so weak that they don't really see play outside valakut decks, where the fetched land acting as Lightning Bolt is a huge upside. Similarly Sylvan Caryatid is played only in Soulflayer decks, as it grants a relevant keyword on top of ramping, and Jeskai Ascendancy decks, where your combo piece being hexproof matters a LOT.
Don't run "do nothing" cards, like Electrodominance.
If you feel the need to run card draw, run something like Life's Legacy, or even just Combustible Gearhulk, that way you avoid having to splash blue, and get a card that plays better in most situations. (gearhulk is 4-8 damage, or you draw 3, life's legacy can be played after some value plays baited counterspells)
And for the sake of all thats good run some unconditional interaction, be it Lightning Bolt, Bonecrusher Giant, Abrade or whatever else you like.
P.s.: If you want some fine budget powerhouses you may want to tinker around with cards like It of the Horrid Swarm, or Decimator of the Provinces - while they require a very specific mana curve among creatures in the deck to accomodate them, they are brutal if those conditions are fullfilled.
aholder7 says... #2
i put my comments on the deck, but tl;dr the deck concept isn't bad. but you need to focus it up a bit. the card choices leave a lot of room to improve. but i don't know what you have to work with/how much effort you want to put into getting better cards for the deck.
July 30, 2020 1:34 a.m.