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Each player may search his or her library for up to X basic land cards and put them into play tapped. Then each player who searched his or her library this way shuffles it.
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New Frontiers Discussion
4 days ago
Good point Abzkaban. I think this might be something we build to it's optimum for Ghave... Then it could be Muldrotha's turn down the road.
Here's what I'm thinking with the "Temptations" - there's two reasons why I included them: 1) flavour 2) the value.
But there's some interesting questions to discuss here.
Tha value lays in the fact that they are, I think, considerably cheap for their effects because they have a downside... the opponent gets to search. For example, Settle the Wreckage is pretty wild as a 4 cost instant board wipe for a single person, but that's cause they get to replace every exiled creature with a land - however, with Ob Nixilis out it's less likely people will want to search their library. Same with Assassin's Trophy. And to tap a forest and X mana to get X land? pretty good, except opponents get to get land as well with New Frontiers, unless they don't want to take that 10 damage. But this is where it gets tricky and makes me wonder if the value might not actually be there.
- With New Frontiers, how low a land amount would people not pay 10 life for? I think in the first 3/4 of the game, and depending on life total, opponents would probably be willing to pay 10 life for even just 3 land. But I get 3 land as well, so if we get equal land advantage and all my opponents lose 10 life, I guess that's alright.
- Settle the Wreckage could be too much of a mana advantage in exchange for the loss of 10 life.... It seems best if I use it on my own mass tokens? ohhhhh LANDFALL TRIGGERS!! pretty good in that case (thinking out loud). And I can cast it AFTER they do damage... Or if they are attacking with a couple voltrons... Or exile opponents mass attacking creatures with Aven Mindcensor out. And It's good when it gets to that round where everyone is about to win, soan opponent getting a bunch of tapped land on the battlefield doesn't matter if they are missing out on their big attack and passing the turn.
- Weird Harvest would be pretty ballzy, but then again so is Maralen of the Mornsong, but that's where Aven Mindcensor comes in.
- Ghost Quarter is just a good utility land against those power lands.
- Oath of Lieges didn't even make it into my test-pilot deck
- Path to Exile is just good
- Assassin's Trophy is just good
I do agree that they could go to make room in the deck. Which one do you think would be worth removing? I'd say Weird Harvest perhaps, though I could see it turning out well, especially with the cheats like Elvish Piper and Deathrender in play, the flicker type effects, etc... but perhaps too conditional?
1 week ago
Including Biorhythm and Shaman of Forgotten Ways is brilliant! Not only if I work the landfall token creature control, but as you say - to get everyone else within reach of an Search-kill. So good! Thanks muchly for this - it's the type of simple and small card additions that can bring it all together.
I had Tempt with Discovery on the "Temptations" list—it half inspired the category's title even— but after some thought and seeing the other cards that were similar I decided to remove it. I think people are going to catch on so quickly and so it wont hold the value that the cards New Frontiers or Collective Voyage do. By the time everyone knows what's going on, the two mentioned will be huge value for me either way, while Tempt with Discovery will digress into a 4 cost tutor for 1 land. The only time I'd see it working is if I can cheat out Ob Nixilis, Unshackled on people who haven't played against the deck before.
While City of Solitude would hold back a bunch of the trickery that other cards in this deck want to do, Dragonlord Dromoka and Grand Abolisher could be great potential additions. Grand Abolisher especially. What value!
Thanks so much for the compliment and encouragement of the +1! I appreciate it :)
3 months ago
jordybear2002 Thanks for your suggestions.
I'm not especially fond of symmetrical effects so I'll give New Frontiers a pass.
All the best for your Breya deck too! Enjoy!
3 months ago
Hey! I just wanted to say that this deck looks AMAZING! For some ramp I would suggest New Frontiers, and for a little tutor Fabricate, and then a fun guy in here that I think you could have some fun with would be Experiment Kraj! Happy deck building and may the card draw ever be in your favor!!!
5 months ago
I have the following parts and pieces to an almost copy and paste version of JLK's Shadowborn Apostle deck.
20x Shadowborn Apostle lp
8x Shadowborn Apostle mp
1x Vampiric Tutor lp
1x Athreos, God of Passage lp
1x Grave Titan lp, Japanese
1x Dark Ritual foil Near Mint Masterpiece Series: Amonkhet Invocations
I am mainly trying to get rid of all 28 shadow born apostles hahaha.
I recently made an Omnath, Locus of Rage deck that seems pretty awesome, I'd love to be able to trade/sell at TCG Low for most of the more expensive parts and pieces I need:
Secondary List: 1x Azusa, Lost but Seeking 1x Eternal Witness 1x Green Sun's Zenith 1x Knollspine Dragon 1x Lotus Cobra 1x Shattering Spree 1x Stomping Ground 1x Tooth and Nail 1x Vesuva 1x Vexing Shusher 1x Worldly Tutor
If you'd rather purchase some items, I accept PayPal. If you are looking for filler, here are some 0$-5$ cards I require: 1x Collective Voyage 1x Darksteel Garrison 1x Explosive Vegetation 1x Gruul Signet 1x Harrow 1x Hunting Wilds 1x Perilous Forays 1x Rampaging Baloths 1x Reap and Sow 1x Regrowth 1x Rites of Spring 1x Seer's Sundial 1x Summer Bloom 1x Courser of Kruphix 1x Crop Rotation 1x New Frontiers 1x Protean Hulk 1x Ramunap Excavator
I know this is very comprehensive - thanks for hanging in there!
8 months ago
The following group hug cards are in your list:
- Collective Voyage
- Dictate of Karametra
- Eladamri's Vineyard
- Heartbeat of Spring
- Keeper of Progenitus
- Natural Balance
- New Frontiers
- Tempt with Discovery
- Vernal Bloom
- Veteran Explorer
You are missing Spoils of Victory
1 year ago
Zidantur Thanks for the +1! I'm not quite sure how to build quad-colour decks since there are so many cards to consider, but green has some great political/underrated cards; Fecundity is a great equalizer most of the time (although it benefits an aristocrats deck way more). Dubious Challenge is a card that I never heard of until recently that is surprisingly good, One with Nature is an underrated favourite of mine especially since you can enchant an opponent's creature and reap the benefits. Pattern of Rebirth is another card that I consider underrated, especially if you are planning on playing any creatures like Sakura-Tribe Elder. Permeating Mass is hilarious IMO and it actually really makes your opponents afraid of attacking you (especially with their commander). Marchesa's Smuggler isn't green but it can definitely help get your commander in for damage. You could also run a lot of copy spells like Progenitor Mimic to make the game a bit more interesting. Brooding Saurian is a great political card if you aren't planning on running any steal spells, since most people like keeping their stuff. Dawnstrider is surprisingly underrated, especially since most of the time it simply prevents people from attacking you when they have a lot of power that could go your way. Finally, Hunted Troll is also a surprisingly good card and is on-theme.
If you want to go full-on group hug (which I wouldn't recommend, but is an option), you could go for stuff like Edric, Spymaster of Trest, Hunted Wumpus, Magus of the Vineyard, Shizuko, Caller of Autumn, Tempting Wurm, Veteran Explorer, Dictate of Karametra, Eladamri's Vineyard, Rites of Flourishing, Collective Voyage, New Frontiers or Weird Harvest. I wouldn't recommend these cards since the whole point of this deck was to move away from group hug while still being political, but you can consider them.
If you wanted to go for a non-group hug politics that still involves being nice, you could buff opponents' creatures with the vows (Vow of Flight for example) and double down with Evolutionary Escalation.
Anyways, I could get a lot of other things that you could do but I don't really want to overload you (especially when I'm kind of just wildly suggesting), but the ideas of these cards are good starting points. You honestly could just ignore all of them and go for green ramp and that would be fine as well, since green doesn't really have many "deal" cards. It's probably good to pick a number representing the amount of "silly" cards you want in the deck and stick with that though, since you don't want to go overboard just because you have another colour to work with.
Hope this helps! Sorry for the wall of text lol, but it could be useful
1 year ago
Have you ever thought about including Ob Nixilis, Unshackled for its synergy with Fertilid and Collective Voyage in particular (the opponents HAVE TO search through their libraries)?
It also works well,imho, with Tempt with Discovery,New Frontiers and Weird Harvest, because of the drawback it adds for oppos if they want to search for basics too.