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New Frontiers Discussion
1 month ago
The following group hug cards are in your list:
- Collective Voyage
- Dictate of Karametra
- Eladamri's Vineyard
- Heartbeat of Spring
- Keeper of Progenitus
- Natural Balance
- New Frontiers
- Tempt with Discovery
- Vernal Bloom
- Veteran Explorer
You are missing Spoils of Victory
4 months ago
Zidantur Thanks for the +1! I'm not quite sure how to build quad-colour decks since there are so many cards to consider, but green has some great political/underrated cards; Fecundity is a great equalizer most of the time (although it benefits an aristocrats deck way more). Dubious Challenge is a card that I never heard of until recently that is surprisingly good, One with Nature is an underrated favourite of mine especially since you can enchant an opponent's creature and reap the benefits. Pattern of Rebirth is another card that I consider underrated, especially if you are planning on playing any creatures like Sakura-Tribe Elder. Permeating Mass is hilarious IMO and it actually really makes your opponents afraid of attacking you (especially with their commander). Marchesa's Smuggler isn't green but it can definitely help get your commander in for damage. You could also run a lot of copy spells like Progenitor Mimic to make the game a bit more interesting. Brooding Saurian is a great political card if you aren't planning on running any steal spells, since most people like keeping their stuff. Dawnstrider is surprisingly underrated, especially since most of the time it simply prevents people from attacking you when they have a lot of power that could go your way. Finally, Hunted Troll is also a surprisingly good card and is on-theme.
If you want to go full-on group hug (which I wouldn't recommend, but is an option), you could go for stuff like Edric, Spymaster of Trest, Hunted Wumpus, Magus of the Vineyard, Shizuko, Caller of Autumn, Tempting Wurm, Veteran Explorer, Dictate of Karametra, Eladamri's Vineyard, Rites of Flourishing, Collective Voyage, New Frontiers or Weird Harvest. I wouldn't recommend these cards since the whole point of this deck was to move away from group hug while still being political, but you can consider them.
If you wanted to go for a non-group hug politics that still involves being nice, you could buff opponents' creatures with the vows (Vow of Flight for example) and double down with Evolutionary Escalation.
Anyways, I could get a lot of other things that you could do but I don't really want to overload you (especially when I'm kind of just wildly suggesting), but the ideas of these cards are good starting points. You honestly could just ignore all of them and go for green ramp and that would be fine as well, since green doesn't really have many "deal" cards. It's probably good to pick a number representing the amount of "silly" cards you want in the deck and stick with that though, since you don't want to go overboard just because you have another colour to work with.
Hope this helps! Sorry for the wall of text lol, but it could be useful
6 months ago
Have you ever thought about including Ob Nixilis, Unshackled for its synergy with Fertilid and Collective Voyage in particular (the opponents HAVE TO search through their libraries)?
It also works well,imho, with Tempt with Discovery,New Frontiers and Weird Harvest, because of the drawback it adds for oppos if they want to search for basics too.
6 months ago
I have a large amount of new additions for wants, so I have updated again after some trades. Looking to work on/finish 3 EDH Projects. Here is what I need most.
I would also like to say I may be willing to work out a trade for Karn if anyone wants to work out a deal for ~$55 worth of cards off Star City, Card Kingdom, or TCG Player, but that's another story, Otherwise I can look at binders.
For Edgar EDH:
Plenty of other Vamps, just ask/I will look through binders
8 months ago
Austin_Smith_of_Cards, thank you for all of your feedback. I have added Crop Rotation, Sakura-Tribe Elder and Rishkar's Expertise. I will look for possible cuts for Rampaging Baloths because I do enjoy that card in my alternate build. As for the additional fetch lands, I'd rather not replace basic lands for them for I already feel like I am light on basics as is. I have always considered adding them, they just never make the cut. I like the extra burn that Where Ancients Tread brings to the table. Yet again, hard to cut for this card. I am very excited for Traverse the Outlands. I will definitely add it once it becomes available. Thank you, Lord.of.Innistrad for also suggesting the inclusion.
Pelegos, I appreciate the comment! Mana Echoes goes bonkers in this deck. I'll have to see if I could make a cut for it. It might be hard though seeing how I just replaced Amulet of Vigor which also combos well with Perilous Forays. As for Undergrowth Champion and New Frontiers, I'll have to do some play testing with the two and see if they'll make an impact.
Sorry riburah, I'm still not sold on Animist's Awakening. I'm glad that you've had great experiences while using it. It's just not the card for me. Plus, I'd rather save that cut for the new card Traverse the Outlands.
8 months ago
Have you considered putting Mana Echoes in? It combos really nicely with Perilous Forays and Zendikar's Roil as follows: 1) Land comes out, putting a 5/5 Elemental (Omnath) and a 2/2 Elemental (Roil) into play 2) Sac a 2/2 Elemental (using Forays), ping a player for 3 life and put a basic land out (Also putting an additional 5/5 Elemental and 2/2 Elemental out) 3) Get 2X colourless mana (where X is the number of elementals already present) to keep fuelling Forays. Rinse and repeat.
8 months ago
Oh hey! It's always great to see somebody getting into group hug, I feel like I've had a fair amount of experience playing group hug and politics in general (My first deck was How to Have Fun in EDH - Phelddagrif Surprise) and from my experience I've noticed that people tend to love group hug in the first game that you play, and slowly gravitate towards disliking it. I'm here to help you with preventing that slow decline, because after playing a lot of other decks I've realized that it is preventable if you play the game with enough tact.
The decline in "fun" was partially due to the way I was playing, but also due to the fact that with group hug a) it can make the games last a lot longer, b) people start to become wise to your tricks and the fact that you have win cons in mind and c) group hug can cause the game to change significantly, which means that people sometimes don't get to play their deck the way they wanted to play it. Here is my explanation for each:
a) While it might seem nice and innocent to prevent damage dealt to people and/or give them life (using Avacyn, Guardian Angel for example), all it is really doing sometimes is prolonging the inevitable, and taking away the impact of attacking (see part c). Drawing a lot of cards is fun, but then the control player might end up with an answer for everything. Getting lands/creatures is fun, but it can cause a full-board stalemate. In addition, generally when people have more options/resources, they end up taking a lot longer to play through their turn.
b) Cards like Felidar Sovereign can really turn off players to the idea of group hug, since it sort of removes the veil of friendliness from the deck. The problem is that if you put obvious win cons in the deck, players will start to get suspicious of your every move. For example: If you start giving a player life/hippos, instead of thinking "wow what a nice guy" they might start thinking "hmm, they are probably trying to buy some time since I bet they have a win con soon"
c) I think your deck is a lot better for this than mine (since mine was just all-out group hug with no remorse or concern for limits), but generally I've noticed that when you give players a lot of resources, their initial plans go down the drain; the control player now could have a lot more ways to prevent things from happening, the Johnny now has an army of hippos to block while he searches for his janky combo, the Timmy is complaining because he keeps slamming down awesome creatures, only to have them countered, and that one guy with the really bad deck is still struggling because no matter what resources you give him, everyone else is still benefitting a lot more.
Now there is a very clear rebuttal to all of these: "Well I don't necessarily have to give EVERYONE resources, just the people that need help/are being nice". This is a fairly sound argument for a few games, but then people will get tired of playing "Be the group hug player's friend or lose the game". This is why tact is extremely important.
My advice: Go ahead and have fun: the deck looks fun, the archetype plays fun, but don't go all out every game. Give yourself one game to get to that sweet sweet group hug singularity, but after that practice a bit of self-control. It will help you a ton in the long run.
For example, try limiting yourself to only activating each of Phelddagrif's abilities once per round (or once per player per round) or reconsider using Avacyn, Guardian Angel because it might come back to bite you when people want the game to end, or at least try to leave yourself tapped out sometimes.
Another piece of advice from me is to try to make your win cons more well-hidden. For example, try putting in a Prosperity and a Elixir of Immortality instead of a Felidar Sovereign, then use some group ramp spells like New Frontiers to give yourself enough mana to use it for lethal in an emergency (but of course that was't the intent of putting it in, just something you realized later, right?). I'd suggest removing some of your pillow fort cards like Collective Restraint and Ghostly Prison so that people aren't avoiding attacking you because they can't, but because they don't want to. Giving people choice is the best thing to do
And that segways into the most important thing about politics in EDH: People want control. The reason why so many combo decks aren't fun, the reason why control/stax decks are just so annoying, the reason why people can get so upset at having their creatures killed are all because it took control away from that player. This is why cards like Swans of Bryn Argoll are so freakin effective, because the resources aren't just there - you have to work for them, and it pays off when you get them. Unfortunately, most group hug decks don't realize this, which is why there is such a huge gap between group hug and politics sometimes. Take my grixis control/group slug deck as an example: (source: Your Best Evil Friend - EDH Tempting Deals) Grixis, Control, Group Slug, but somehow heavily political; It's because so many cards that I use give the opponent options, and in the end THEY are the ones making the decision to (with Ludevic's ability), attack somebody other than me or even hurt themselves to draw cards. Mages' Contest is an objectively BAD counterspell in a blue deck (aside from the ability to use red mana), but it puts the burden of having one's spell countered on my opponent's shoulders, making it a surprisingly GOOD card for politics. Other counterspells are still used, but only when the control player already tried to interfere or somebody is getting obviously oppressive/out of hand. This is why vows (ie Vow of Flight, Vow of Wildness and Vow of Duty) are so effective: people can't attack me, but they still gained something, and they still have the same (or even more) control over the outcome of the game. Other players don't like it? Well hey, I'm just trying to keep myself from dying. Have some cards as compensation. Fecundity is also great for this, depending on what kind of decks you are playing against. You don't have control over who gets to draw cards, but it is a nice little present to the guy who just had his stuff killed, and it makes for a funny reaction when a boardwipe comes down.
Anyways, I hope through this random amalgamation of thoughts I was able to help in any way, I usually don't write this much but I have so much to say about politics in commander. It requires a lot of finesse but it pays off to see your friends having fun while you still have a big impact on the game. I hope you have fun, and let me know if you want any card suggestions! I didn't want to make this too much bigger which is why I left a lot out. poorpinkus out
8 months ago
Found a couple more.