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Ruin Crab
Creature — Crab
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, each opponent mills three cards. (To mill a card, a player puts the top card of their library into their graveyard.)
wallisface on
U/B Mill
3 months ago
Mill decks only ever want to be running Hedron Crab and Ruin Crab as creatures. Any other options are just not helpful or conductive towards winning. Specifically:
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both Consuming Aberration and Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker cost such a high amount of mana that the game should already be over (mill decks should be aiming to win by turn 4). and both barely does any amount of actual milling for their egregious costs.
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Duskmantle Guildmage is only useful as a combo card with Mindcrank. On its own it's basically useless. If you are doing the Mindcrank combo then there's no real reason to run any other mill cards.
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Fog Bank does nothing and gives your opponent more time to overwhelm you or assemble their combo.
Other cards that i'd suggest are bad choices:
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Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver does very little for its cost. milling 3 cards for 3 mana is a very slow rate.
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Fraying Sanity is a massive trap card that a lot of casual mill players fall into. In almost all cases it doesn't speed up the clock for you beating your opponent.
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All of Mind Grind, Increasing Confusion, Mind Funeral, and Pilfered Plans just do faar too little for their mana cost. Memory Sluice is also a really bad return unless you can really reliably trigger it's Conspire ability.
I would suggest looking at cards like Fractured Sanity, Maddening Cacophony, and Tasha's Hideous Laughter *list*. Archive Trap is also a mill-must-have, but may be less-useful if your playgroup isn't using fetchlands. Jace, the Perfected Mind is also serviceable as a planeswalker.
Your deck also really needs some interaction - mill decks are typically too slow to out-race aggro and combo, so you need options to make sure you slow those decks down enough to win the race. Options normally include Drown in the Loch, Fatal Push, and Surgical Extraction
wallisface on
Jace, the Fox Cutie Mill
8 months ago
Some thoughts:
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the only creatures ever worth running in a mill deck are Hedron Crab and Ruin Crab. The current selection of creatures you’re running are all extremely slow, durdly, and low-impact - i’d suggest ditching them.
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a bunch of your mill spells are extremely weak and/or resource inefficient. Specifically Mind Grind, Tome Scour and Traumatize shouldn’t really be played. I’d suggest more powerful options such as Fractured Sanity, Tasha's Hideous Laughter, and Archive Trap.
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Similarly, a lot of your other cards are just really suboptimal. I’ll list these and potential replacements below.
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Brainsurge is just worse than Visions of Beyond or Preordain. 3 mana for this kind of effect is just too slow/weak.
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Psychic Strike is just a worse Counterspell
or Drown in the Loch. Milling a lowly 2 cards will never be worth spending an extra mana. -
Sleep is just a worse Ensnaring Bridge or Crypt Incursion. Its effect being only one turn makes it too limiting to be useful.
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I know you built the deck around Jace, the Mind Sculptor, but he doesn’t do anything useful for mill. You’d be much-better off running Jace, the Perfected Mind
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Hurkyl's Recall is a sideboard card at-best.
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Part the Waterveil is just too mana expensive to ever actually get cast. There’s zero reason to run this.
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I have no idea why you have Talent of the Telepath, in the deck.
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Mill is supposed to be fast and efficient, so there is no room for Chromatic Lantern, or Manalith in the deck. You need to lower your mana curve drastically, instead of trying to accomodate all these high-mana cards.
If you’re looking for an example competitive mill deck, this one here is a good baseline to build from.
doc_frank_18 on
Nah Dude
10 months ago
Mystic Speculation OUT ----- Retreat to Coralhelm IN!..... Splendid Reclamation OUT ----- Ruin Crab IN.....
TheSurgeon on
Bruvac's Millibuster
10 months ago
dash.secrets I apprecuate your comcern, and this is true, if ruin crab is already on the board. I don't prescribe to such rigid thinking, it's a handicap. What I mean to say is, there's nothing forcing me to play Ruin Crab in my first Main Phase, I can wait until second, after I've played Conversion, and drop land in any Main Phase I choose. Not as ideal as Altar, I admit, but it fits the strategy.
JagDogger2525 on
Bruvac's Persistent Petitioners
10 months ago
Not sure if you're still on yet Ruin Crab instead of Hedron Crab - Hedron Crab is great in 1v1 don't get me wrong yet why not mill everyone at once
wallisface on
U/G Mill
11 months ago
Some thoughts:
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Evolving Wilds is a really bad card - i’d recommend Prismatic Vista instead.
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you need more crabs to make this plan more reliable. Where’s the playset of Ruin Crab?
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I wouldn’t bother with Primordial Hydra, it detracts from the mill plan. Your deck’s never winning through damage.
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Memory's Journey serves no purpose and i’m not sure why it’s here.
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Jace, the Perfected Mind is miles better than Jace, Memory Adept
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Ghost Quarter isn’t great in mill because it doesn’t force your opponent to search, which means they can avoid being hit by Archive Trap. You want to be running Field of Ruin (field has the added bonus of letting you trigger your crabs again).
Asgeren on
Garden of Damia
11 months ago
Thanks ldvatwa! And yes! Exactly what I want to try out with Ruin Crab ;)
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