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: Destroy Experimental Frenzy.
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Experimental Frenzy Discussion
1 month ago
Brothers, sisters, and assorted non-binary siblings, welcome to the riot! You like throwing waves of frothing, hasty lunatics at your opponent AND profiting when said lunatics die? We got you! You like watching the world burn and don’t mind getting caught in the flames? We got you! You like anarchy? The purge movies? Gender reveal parties? We got you! Rakdos is the proud home of those who take pleasure at the expense of others, the sort of people who like to mix Skittles and M&Ms in the same party bowl. If that sounds fun, then just you wait: in the house of red and black, that sort of misbehavior is only the appetizer.
Haste and sacrifice. Vampirism and burn. Discard in both barrels. This is a beautifully synergistic color pairing that belongs in the same league as peanut butter and chocolate. Heath Ledger’s joker undoutably played a rakdos deck: things like Havoc Festival, Last One Standing, and Sire Of Insanity are all up the clown’s alley. There are a number of themes we can cover here, but as usual we’re settling for three: Discard, WAAAAGH, and Pain. As always, please bear in mind that the point isn’t a discussion of the competitive but rather as a celebration of the thematic.
This is both red’s primary draw resource and a uniquely black removal technique. Combining those aspects makes for a deck that both ruins opponent’s hands and digs through your own cards at shocking speed. Granted, you won’t have a big hand, but who cares? Suddenly you've got an overpacked graveyard at your black-hearted beck and call. Red self-mill and black reanimation, people, with just a naughty touch of haste. Discard a pile of hate and then pitch said pile straight into combat. You won’t be sorry.
A regular teddy bear, Chainer’s second coming is a real treat for anyone who left their graveyard hate at home. Haste on a stick is only a perk: suddenly your graveyard is only as full as you want it to be, and probably full of friendly, group-huggy things like Ravenous Chupacabra or Combustible Gearhulk. Yes, the table will certainly love you and your unending, undying deck of unbearable hellbeasts. Undoubtably.
Ok, this guy is horrifying, as you would expect of the king of Grixis. Anyone not running tokens is going to be mighty twitchy about seeing this guy hit the field, and who needs a hand anyway? Rakdos evidently loves empty hands, and rewards you for ensuring that particular misery has company. Consider, if you will, the fulsome, vicious suite of cards tied to poking those who discard. Consider Experimental Frenzy. Consider all the madness cards you could play (or, you know, just play Anje Falkenrath instead). And, if you get tired of the simple gains synergy can win you, you can always Demonfire someone.
THIS. This is neat. Leave aside the look on the face of that certain someone who steals everything on the board. Pay no mind that Seize the Day and all it’s red cousins can make Blim an unholy terror. Forget that you can pass off Demonic Pact, Grid Monitor, and whatever other obnoxiousness you can think of. None of that matters, no. This, for all you glorious nutters out there, is an excuse to finally play Nuisance Engine. That’s the takeaway here.
Anyone can run tokens or big creatures, but only in Rakdos do you find the conjunction of boardwide haste and sacrifice. Harnessing right, proper WAAGH energy means not just drowning opponents in a tide of zippy little shits but also capitalizing on all that death to cause even more mayhem. Did you ever want to hold a bundle of fireworks, light them all at once, and watch whatever you point them at turn into a smoking, shredded pile of giblets? Here’s the lighter, fellas.
Treasure tokens. Nuff said.
There are a number of nasty combos here that I’d rather not spread. I’ll just say that long ago, I played many, many depressing games against a Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund deck. There was self-milling involved, and Living Death. Evidently, someone decided what the deck needed, rather than burning, was fewer moving parts. That someone deserves a long, interesting life in all the worst ways.
This guy makes me laugh. The idea of ruining the table’s carefully laid plans to off you and instead throwing them into combat with each other is absolutely hilarious. It’s like a Fog designed by someone with pyromania-by-proxy syndrome, and that second block of text the equivalent of throwing gasoline on an already burning house. Get a Conjurer's Closet in there and watch the fun.
Forget destroy effects. Those are too easy. Direct damage. -X/-X. -1/-1 counters. Life loss. All of the nastiness you can fling at opponents and creatures is under the umbrella of this color pairing. If you like blasting the unholy hell out of your opponents and their minions, this is the arsenal you’re looking to plunder. Stuff like Blasphemous Act, Toxic Deluge, or Orcus, Prince of Undeath will leave a smoldering crater of a battlefield, across which you’ll doubtless be stepping with appropriate gribbliness. Or launching that demonfire we talked about. Whatever works.
Ah, the original Mr. Stop-Hitting-Yourself. I’ve had my eye on this guy for over a decade. Do I own the deck? No. Do I intend to? Again, no. But the prospect here is so, soooo satisfying to think about. To hell with infinite combo fruitwaffles. Damned be those green jackasses ramming X cost spells down the table’s collective throat. Kaervek’s mean, but keeps it clean. Like, nuclear fire sterile clean, and the best part? It’s all self-inflicted!
We really can’t talk red-black without discussing demon himself (hehehe). This guy’s been piloting one of my decks for years, and for good reason. The lord of riots likes to pass out rewards for smacking people. Do you like to be rewarded for smacking people? I do. Rewarded with free things... Eldrazi things. Eldrazi things that tutor more things (Conduit of Ruin), reanimate more things (Artisan of Kozilek), or… well, you can always go for broke and just ruin someone else's things (Void Winnower). Run artifacts, like Hangarback Walker. Run X drops, like Maga, Traitor to Mortals. Run anything you like. Run everything you like. Just have fun running them for next to nothing.
-1/-1 counters, magic’s analogue for injury and agony. We really shouldn’t talk red-black without talking about Wither, the Everlasting Torment of a keyword that was a precursor to the dark days of Infect. It’s safe to say we all have opinions, for good or ill, about Infect’s place in commander. That said, if you want to play with -1/-1 counters and aren’t fond of green or dealing with those opinions, Scorpy’s first line of text makes this guy an overwhelmingly safe bet. Rocking crap like Black Sun's Zenith is the easy answer: let’s make this fun, discard a crapload of cards, and watch your opponent’s boards melt into obscene card advantage while your Archfiend of Ifnir giggles in the corner.
And for my personal favorite...
There is an unfortunate element of “screw you in particular” to Xantcha: declaring open season on somebody’s life total sends a particularly unpleasant message. This is another commander that, laying aside the card advantage, doesn’t bolster your deck, which makes for an interesting challenge. I’ve said it before, one hallmark of a good deck is the capability of functioning without its commander… though if you build this hateful beast, I suggest you pack lots and lots of ramp. Just ‘cause.
That's it for this round. Thoughts and questions are welcome. I hope you enjoyed it, and will come back next week for Gruul!
2 months ago
Other Note: Rakdos morph, I Love It!!!
Rakdos, Lord of Riots + Experimental Frenzy could play like Animar, Soul of Elements except you get access to cards like Gift of Doom, Grim Haruspex, Soul Collector
digging deep with Necropotence then casting Final Fortune could be game ending
let me know how this deck goes
p.s. nether of these cards would benefit you lens only effects permanents which means only cards already on the field, Mycosynth Lattice & Chromatic Orrery would be better options
3 months ago
Rasaru/sdidonato: Madblind Mountain was originally for Experimental Frenzy for a little topdeck control, but now it helps with Conspicuous Snoop, or if you happen to get hit with the rare spell that puts something back on top of your library that you don't want to draw. It doesn't factor in most games but when it does it is nice to have, and it is a really easy include being a Mountain you can still sac to Ib.
For Impact Tremors it is mostly redundancy for Purphoros like Sdidonato said, but I would never dream of cutting it. I would say the least damage it's ever done in a game is probably 10, with the most being in the hundreds, not even considering the times where I've had both out it and Purph out.
There aren't a lot of traditional token generators in the deck, but don't underestimate repeated damage going out from hardcasting nontoken creatures, the few token doubling artifacts, Mogg Infestation, and Ib himself! These plus the damage doublers (and the tripler) means Impact Tremors tends to do a ton of damage over the course of the game.
The will say that I learned not to just throw it out there when I don't have some ETB follow ups soon after, just in case it gets removed before I get to use it. That's what makes it feel like it isn't pulling its weight.
4 months ago
Legendary Creature - Elder Dragon
At the beginning of your upkeep, pay or sacrifice ~.
Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, exile up to three target coloured permanent.
Create the creature who created the machine on Experimental Frenzy .
4 months ago
Did you know that Jeska's Will + Reiterate = Infinite mana + "Draw"? I see you're also running the Godo combo. While not a serious suggestion, Experimental Frenzy + Ugin, the Ineffable + Top = Draw your whole deck.
Hellkite charger's ability is way too costly.
What is the purpose of braid of fire? Am I missing something?
Curse of Opulence - Ramp and politics all in 1. Comes down in the early game which will help this deck given it's high avg cmc (normal for an Etali deck)
Dualcaster Mage - Value, also counters counterspells which is fun.
Myriad Landscape - Ramp
Your deck is commander reliant and without it or more ramp, you will have a much harder time to reliably cast your spells. Lastly, I love your avg cmc #420 :D +1
5 months ago
If you don't mind going more in depth, how many copies would you suggest and what cards do you think should be coming out of the deck when I add new ones? It feels like there's no room in the deck (you can see all the 3 ofs), mainly because I've tried to avoid removing evasion and defensive cards since I already have less in red. I could try leaning combo more heavily and replacing some with both Mass Hysteria and Reckless Charge.
I was also looking at potential card draw options like Light Up the Stage or Experimental Frenzy but again I'd have to figure out what to cut and if it's even worth it. If I do go more towards a combo style that may not be as necessary though.
And if you feel like going really in depth, here's all the cards I've considered with the main deck ones being the cards I actually have: Gruul Infect (Cards)
5 months ago
Resurgent Belief to bring back some of these enchantments, Outlaws' Merriment is always a blast, for dealing damage to players, AEther Sting is a fun card because a lot of your creatures won't be cast is fun, Burning Earth is a slightly worse Manabarbs .
5 months ago
Thank you for your detailed response. I eagerly await to see what your new meta is like and sorry to hear about your falling out and difficult cEDH pubstomping. I agree with most of what you're saying....
Chandra Torch of Defiance - Could cut Hanweir Garrison for her. The ult like most planeswalkers will never come to fruition. Its the draw, ramp and removal that I find helpful. Hanweir with no way to tutor for it makes it a little eh. I get the point of it though, making tokens on attack. I think the utility of chandra outweighs the token production IMO
Flametongue and Inferno - Both deal damage on ETB and kill most things. If you can't find room given your low CMC and tightness of the list thats fine. I just know I'm always happy to see them because they put in serious work, in my meta atleast. But I understand your reservations well.
Warstorm surge should not be cut for Terror of the Peaks. Both have WAY too much synergy with an ETB build. I get the higher CMC does suck and I can see why you don't want inferno or flametongue. But this has too much synergy to ignore IMO, you should find room for both, if you can.
Another suggestion, Jeska's Will . In conjunction with Reiterate (reiterate not a serious one, just food for thought) = Cast your whole deck. With no way to tutor for it, it can be less stale than Kiki + Zealous. Regardless, Jeska's will puts in work. If you are hesitant about the X spells, then that's fine, but it does provide serious ramp (in my meta at least)
Lastly, another joke combo is Top + Ugin, the Ineffable + Experimental Frenzy = Draw your whole deck. While it doesn't do much, it's worth noting since its funny. Moreover, Ugin, the Ineffable ramps a good portion of your deck, provides card draw and enchantment removal (not an issue as you said, but nice to have should you need it)
I'm not really good with 3 colors decks, nor Alesha, but I can provide what little feedback I can once you send me the decklist. I'm sure it will be amazing given how you made Norin. If I wanted to make my Norin list more competitive, this would be a great deck to reference given it's overall synergy and low CMC