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Ashenmoor Liege
Creature — Elemental Knight
Other black creatures you control get +1/+1.
Other red creatures you control get +1/+1.
Whenever Ashenmoor Liege becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, that player loses 4 life.
DemonDragonJ on Ranking the Lieges
1 month ago
I previously made a thread to rank the "swords of X and Y," so I shall now rank another one of my favorite cycles in this game, the lieges from Shadowmoor and Eventide, and I would like to emphasize that this ranking is purely my own opinion, not based upon any guidelines, so I am not stating that any one creature is superior or inferior to another, although I definitely believe that the five enemy-colored lieges are vastly superior to the five allied-colored lieges, which I hope was simply an unfortunate coincidence, and not a deliberate choice by the employees of WotC. Also, as a side note, I am severely disappointed that the allied-colored lieges all have names that reference locations or factions on Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, which limits the sets in which they can be reprinted, whereas the enemy-colored lieges have names that are generic and would work on nearly any plane of the multiverse. As I did, with my previous list, I shall begin with the lowest-ranked card and end with the highest-ranked one.
Thistledown Liege is clearly the worst of the lieges, as it is merely a 1/3 for 4 mana, and its keyword, flash, is useful, but only once, so I question how WotC could have designed this creature. Considering the other allied-colored lieges, this one could easily have been a 2/3, or even a 3/3, for the same mana cost, but its unfortunate status is why I am ranking it at the bottom of this list.
Ashenmoor Liege is better than is Thistledown Liege, but not by a significant margin, so its is ninth on this list; again, it could have had higher power and/or toughness, being a 4/2 for the same mana cost. Its ability is nice, but, with such low toughness, the creature is likely to die easily, meaning that its ability shall trigger only once; if this creature were to be designed, today, I imagine that it would have ward, as that would be an upgrade from its current ability.
Boartusk Liege is actually fairly strong, compared to the previous two lieges, so I have ranked it at eighth place, here, but it is merely a beater, so there is not much else to say, about it.
Wilt-Leaf Liege has the highest power and toughness among the allied-colored lieges, and its ability is nice, but I cannot rank it as the highest of those five, because its ability, while useful, is too specific, as it shall not be used in every scenario, but it certainly is a useful creature for decks that focus strongly on elves.
I ranked Glen Elendra Liege as the best of the allied-colored lieges because it has flying, a keyword that is always useful, for both attacking and defending, and also because fairies often are very powerful creatures.
Mindwrack Liege has a very useful ability, albeit one that is interesting in the two colors that have the least emphasis on creatures, but that does not justify it costing 6 mana; none of the other lieges are that expensive, so I am ranking Mindwrack Liege as the least of the enemy-colored lieges.
Creakwood Liege can produce a token every turn, which is very useful, especially considering that it makes those tokens more powerful, but it is only a 2/2 for 4 mana, when it could easily have been a 3/3 while still being balanced, so I regard it as the fourth best of the enemy-colored lieges.
Seedborn Muse is a very powerful card, so any card that has a similar effect is likely to be very powerful, as well, even if it works only for a specific group of cards, as is the case with Murkfiend Liege, which balances its ability being more specific by making creatures more powerful.
Black and white are my two favorite color in the game, so I am very glad that Deathbringer Liege, the black and white liege, has two very powerful abilities; the majority of decks use creatures to at least a certain extent, so having a repeatable method of destroying creatures, or at least reducing their utility, is a very powerful ability, indeed.
I dearly wished that I could have ranked my favorite liege, Deathbringer Liege, as the best liege of them all, but I ultimately chose Balefire Liege as the best liege, because of how universally useful its abilities are; it can increase its controller’s life total while also reducing the life totals of its controller’s opponents, which makes it a creature that I believe should be in any deck that contains the colors red and white.
What does everyone else say, about this subject? How do you feel about my ranking of the ten lieges (again, I ranked them purely by my own opinions, not be any strict standards or criteria)? I certainly am eager to hear your opinions, on this matter!
DemonDragonJ on Unbalanced Cycles in MtG
1 month ago
The majority of cycles of cards in this games are at least somewhat balanced, but there are some cycles that are rather unbalanced, where one or two cards are noticeably (and often hilariously) over- or underpowered compared to the other cards, so I would like to discuss some of those cycles, in this thread.
One of the very first cycles in the game, the original boon cycle, was hilariously unbalanced, with Ancestral Recall being significantly more powerful than were the other cards in that cycle, Healing Salve being easily the weakest, and the other three members being between them in terms of power; Lightning Bolt remains a staple to this day, but Giant Growth and Dark Ritual
are much more niche cards, today, due to power creep. Since that cycle was one of the first cycles in the game, I believe that players can forgive WotC for not being able to balance the cards in it.
Another unbalanced cycle is the avatar cycle from Prophecy, in which Avatar of Woe is clearly the most powerful, while Avatar of Will is the weakest, with the other three being between them in power.
Another great example is that the majority of the "rhystic" cards are fairly weak, but Rhystic Study is extremely powerful, so I wonder what the designers were thinking when they made those cards.
One of my personal favorites is how the lieges from Eventide (i.e., Balefire Liege, Deathbringer Liege, and so forth) are blatantly superior to the lieges from Shadowmoor (i.e., Ashenmoor Liege, Boartusk Liege, and so forth), and I am very displeased at the disparity between the allied-colored and enemy-colored lieges.
What does everyone else say, about this? What are some of your favorite examples of unbalanced cycles in Magic: the Gathering? I certainly am eager to hear your thoughts, on this matter!
legendofa on Poll: Would you allow a …
3 months ago
Haven't actually tried to build and use it yet, but I outlined a deck on here with a monocolor commander and only hybrid cards. I touched grass, now I'm shipwrecked in Jund Something with this level of gimmickiness, I'd be okay with because it's not that good. If a deck has one, maybe two hybrid cards, I wouldn't have a problem with as long as they're announced ahead of time. Some of them have pretty unique and interesting effects.
My big problem would be if you used them to gain a clear technical advantage or had a specific use for them based on their color-ness. An easy example of this is Bloom Tender. No, you don't get to claim Tribune of Rot and Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second as multicolor in your monogreen Elf deck for Tender to make more mana. If you try to pull this during a game, you get one and a lecture on permission abuse.
Another example is using something like Ashenmoor Liege, Balefire Liege, Creakwood Liege, Deathbringer Liege, Thistledown Liege, and Wilt-Leaf Liege to give your commander +7/+7. You get the Deathbringer, and the rest go away.
OHCyanide on
Its 2013 in 2022 V1.4 (Prossh EDH)
3 years ago
V1.1 - Cannibalizing other decks to flesh mine out
Out
Ashenmoor Liege, Shattergang Brothers, Fell Shepherd, Walker of the Grove, Plague Boiler, Jar of Eyeballs, Vile Requiem, Empty the Pits, Rough / Tumble
In
Karametra's Acolyte - Green devotion mana dork. Xenagos, God of Revels - Generally great, explosive charges Balefire Dragon - Psuedo-board clear, can pump with Xenagos, God of Revels. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger - Psuedo-rap, board control Bow of Nylea - Attacking death touch tokens are way more threatening, can't chunk block them. Devotion to green. Cultivate - Ramp is good. Ranger's Path - Ramp is still good. Into the Wilds - Semi draw, semi ramp, top of library manipulation. Xenagos, the Reveler - Ramp, tokens, whats not to like? Death's Presence - A bit win more, but re-using the stats from stacked tokens can be great.
Metroid_Hybrid on Need help rebuilding an old …
3 years ago
Several years ago I put together a strictly Rakdos-themed Aggro deck built around Fists of the Demigod, Psychotic Fury, Ashenmoor Liege, and having a "transformative" sideboard. Many users on T/O at the time seemed to like it as much as I did. But unfortunately, one day I accidentally left it at an LGS shortly before it permanently closed, and was never able to get it back...
Now half a decade later, I'm looking to rebuild. However, over the past 5 years many new creatures have been printed that have rendered my old list, quite frankly, obsolete..
I'm probably going to keep all of the non-creature spells (except maybe Madcap Skills), but I'm likely to replace all of the creatures except the playsets of Rakdos Cackler & Spike Jester, and the singles of Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch and (of course) Ashenmoor Liege.
With so many new options, compounded by the fact that I haven't played any Modern in years, I find it difficult to settle on a particular direction...
Please advise...
Rakdos Sligh Beats - RakdosDeckWins..
Modern
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(As far as the sideboard is concerned, I'm probably going to replace Blightning with Sovereign's Bite)
MaximumEdgeLord on
Cult of the Forgotten Gods
3 years ago
It looks like this deck could use Thunderkin Awakener to reanimate Lightning Skelemental and Ashenmoor Liege. Also in modern Claim the Firstborn is heads and shoulders better than Act of Treason, so you should play 4. Actually Kari Zev's Expertise should replace Act of Treason entirely. Really cool deck!
zapyourtumor on
Ball Lightning Never Dies
4 years ago
Also some other cool creatures you could consider adding are Ashenmoor Liege , Scampering Scorcher , and Spitebellows . It's unfortunate that they can't be unearthed though but I feel like adding one of those could be funny.
TheVectornaut on
red and black
4 years ago
I second the idea of cutting down to just 60 cards in 2 colors. Then, I'd try to identify the main gameplan you like to follow when playing the deck. That will inform any cuts, additions, and other revisions you make down the line.
The first archetype that jumps out at me is definitely knights. They are often Mardu () these days, but just Rakdos () should work just fine for casual play. You already have
Belle of the Brawl
,
Barrow Witches
,
Charity Extractor
,
Embereth Paladin
.
Locthwain Paladin
,
Garna, the Bloodflame
,
Ogre Errant
,
Raging Redcap
, and
Tentative Connection
which can definitely fit such a style. Most of the lower cost creatures and spells wouldn't be that bad either. I'll list some cards from the modern card pool under $5 that I think could be strong additions to such a deck.
Ashenmoor Liege
,
Bloodcrazed Paladin
,
Cavalier of Flame
,
Cavalier of Night
,
Champion of Dusk
,
Elite Headhunter
,
Embereth Shieldbreaker
,
Foulmire Knight
,
Hanweir Lancer
,
Hero of Oxid Ridge
,
Knight of the Ebon Legion
,
Kulrath Knight
,
Midnight Reaper
,
Murderous Rider
,
Olivia, Mobilized for War
,
Stormfist Crusader
, and
Weaselback Redcap
are all knight creatures with various effects, costs, and price points that I see as playable. For more general knight synergy,
Blacklance Paragon
,
Fervent Champion
,
Joust
,
Sigiled Sword of Valeron
,
Tournament Grounds
, and my favorite,
Smitten Swordmaster
are options too. Toss in some solid removal like
Lightning Bolt
,
Terminate
, or
Bedevil
and you have the recipe for a strong tribal aggro deck.
The other major archetype I see being possible here is some sort of angel/dragon/demon big stuff deck. The problem is that such a deck is likely to be much slower, making it tougher to keep up in 1v1 games. Plus, a lot of those cards are legendary, so they tend to come with a hefty real-world price tag. Still, I've seen Kaalia of the Vast do some very scary stuff in casual. Such a deck would support your larger creatures as well as spells like Cauldron Dance and Victimize .
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