Ashenmoor Gouger
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Ashenmoor Gouger

Creature — Elemental Warrior

Ashenmoor Gouger can't block.

Vulnoth on Turbo Aggro Grind Time

5 years ago

Continuing where I left off.

continuing from creatures

Something to consider when addressing what to drop for my suggestions is how it affects your overall strategy and politics. Ashenmoor Gouger looks good because on paper it can deal damage, but consider what happens if you draw it 10 turns in and the table has all dug in for the long game. Hyper aggressive cards of the sort that do little else aren't going to help you after the first few turns. Hackrobat, Rakdos Firewheeler, Thrill-Kill Assassin, and the like are what you should look for when hacking cards out of the deck in the creature department. You might be gearing up to go fast and hit hard, but you still are playing the "long game", if you can even call it that.

Support

Onwards we march, starting with the strict spell category. Here, you should be looking for either utility or pure power. Spot removal cards like Go for the Throat work in regular 60 card formats, but lose a ton of value as the game is slowed enough for that one spell to have a diminished effect because it can only hit a single creature, often to little effect. Now Bedevil, on the other hand, is outstanding because you can hold it for either an artifact or 'walker, thus expanding your range and making it always live and effective.

  • Allure of the Unknown - A huge resource generation spell. Additionally, it plays into politics well by letting an opponent (or friend) have a card. Gotta keep the train moving.

  • Bituminous Blast - Perhaps not the most clutch of cards, but at least worth considering since EDH is slow enough for these types of spells to put in work, mostly because Cascade is nuts. I'd understand if it didn't make the cut, though.

  • Captive Audience - Hilarious and effective. Instant enemy-maker, but if you haven't farted in the general direction of everyone at the table, others might turn a blind eye. In my experience, when Joe Shmoe poops out an army of dargons and you slap him with this, the table would generally point and laugh.

  • Cauldron Dance - A nice little shuffling of creatures, which is nice if you're rich in chunguses.

  • Kolaghan's Command - The best charm from its cycle, for good reasons. It's always live in EDH.

  • Spiteful Visions - Perhaps risky for politics, but it does put damage on board, thus making Rakdos live, and generates card advantage.

  • Fork/Reverberate/Wild Ricochet - copy spells, in my experience, tend to do a lot since they're just whatever everyone else is playing.

  • Beacon of Unrest - There will always be something in the grave, and self-recursion is a godsend in my books.

  • Scheming Symmetry - Helps your consistency and makes a friend.

  • Subversion - Nibbles at your opponents while sustaining yourself, and makes Rakdos live.

  • Generally any spell with X in its cost. As the game drags on, they only get better.

I did a brief skim of cards in Gatherer and from among my own decks, but don't be afraid to look at other decks or EDHRec for things that will help you. Just remember that your goal boils largely down to pinging to make Rakdos live, cards that Rakdos is payoff for, and utility general support that rounds out the deck.

Artifacts

Necessary gears to get the machine moving. Mostly it will boil down to mana rocks to accelerate your state, but there will be others that you want purely because they work well for you.

Lands

Here you can start to have some fun. Being 2-color, you do have to be somewhat mindful of what you're running, but you can definitely make use of a lot of offbeat lands since you're not trying to be a fool and mana fix 5 colors. Keep in mind that you may not necessarily need everything listed here, but it's just a matter of helping keep your ability to produce both colors consistent.

  • Temple of Malice - Slow lands may be unappealing, but Scrying usually helps.

  • Arch of Orazca - Yet another personal choice. All you need is to have 10 permanents at any point while controlling/playing a card with City's Blessing and you have it for the game. At which point, Arch becomes something to do with spare mana.

  • Reliquary Tower - Like Thought Vessel, it's worth considering, but is acceptable to pass on if you keep burning your hand up.

  • Command Tower - Staple.

  • Graven Cairns - Filter lands are always nice.

  • Rakdos Carnarium - Slow, yes, but in the long run gives more mana.

  • Shadowblood Ridge - Another pseudo Filter Land

Chopping Block

I encourage you to think these things out on your own or ask friends about this part, because understanding the process of what and why things stay or go is important to understanding your deck. Below are my suggestions for what needs to get yeeted.

  • Ashenmoor Gouger/Hackrobat/Hellhole Flailer/Rakdos Firewheeler/Thrill-Kill Assassin/Rakdos Guildmage - All just don't do that much. Awesome to drop in the first turns, but soon are just fodder. They're nice fodder for Lysolda and Judith, but overall too narrow in use and too low impact.

  • Void Winnower/Blood Moon - As someone who wins almost all his games through player politics, I advise against these types of cards that choke the entire table. Like infinite combos kept as panic buttons in decks, you really only get to pull it once before the group starts remembering what you have up your sleeve. After that, you risk being targeted because they'll know what you have.

  • Phyrexian Obliterator - BBBB in 2-color is a bold move for what's essentially a 5/5 unblockable.

  • Dark Ritual/Doom Blade/Go for the Throat - I personally would cut them, but feel free to play around with at least the removal spells for consistency in board control. Ritual, however, is just not suited for this format.

  • Everlasting Torment - It's the only card of its type in your deck, and actually makes you vulnerable to getting chump blocked.

  • Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - Urborg serves almost no purpose in this deck.

  • Rakdos Guildgate - Guildgates are just packfiller.

  • Rakdos Signet/Rakdos Keyrune - In the modern day, your mana rocks mostly should be more useful than an overcosted creature, and if it only produces mana, it needs to be efficient like Sol Ring.

  • Lava Axe - Shouting "Catch" while literally throwing this is hilarious, but the card's just horribly overcosted.

  • Anthem of Rakdos - You will lose a lot of games you shouldn't lose because of this.

  • Ogre Battledriver - Giving a dude Haste to swing is nice, but it's a lot easier to just run a pinger like Goblin Fireslinger or Lobber Crew

  • Ob Nixilis, the Fallen - His Landfall is nice, but by nature isn't consistent, which is what you're looking for in ways to ping your opponent. Becoming a chungus is nice, but you're better off just skipping the hoops and playing an actual chungus.

  • Vial Smasher the Fierce - This one I'm not totally sold on cutting, but she seems more complicated than just running a pinger. Play around with her and see how Vial Smasher synergizes.

  • Master of Cruelties - Another I'm not totally sold on chopping, but he can only attack alone, which bottlenecks your options.

I know this all is sort of messy, but when making edits, start with comparable replacements (i.e. swapping a creature for a creature), run a few test turns, and see how things work.

SynergyBuild on A Deck Has No Name

7 years ago

Ashenmoor Liege is better than Demigod of Revenge, Shambling Remains is better than Ashenmoor Gouger

IlGuale on MulticolRakdos suicidal charge! (Under 80$)

7 years ago

Hi! Have you considered Ashenmoor Gouger in the 3-drop slot?

Highlake on Ashling, the Extinguisher of Hope

7 years ago

Hmm, just curious here, how are you able to have Oona's Gatewarden or Ashenmoor Gouger in a Mono-Black edh deck?

frogkill45 on Rakdos Purity Aggro

7 years ago

Claim / Fame seems like it might fit or even Ashenmoor Gouger could be useful

Gilgamesh_McCoolio on

7 years ago

I don't know if you're looking for cards that your local game store doesn't have, but if you just want general recommendations, I have a few.

Some highly recommended burn spells: Incinerate, Searing Blood, Magma Jet, Magma Spray, Pillar of Flame

Some good creatures: Ash Zealot, Stromkirk Noble, Firedrinker Satyr, Zurgo Bellstriker, Vampire Lacerator

Some other strong options:Duress, Doom Blade, Tragic Slip, Disfigure

This is if you want to make an extremely aggressive deck. All of these recommended cards are somewhere in a budget range, with nothing over 50 cents (on TCG player).

You also should cut 4 cards no matter what, because you currently have 64. You should probably get rid of Seismic Stomp, Madcap Skills, Mugging, and Act of Treason. The first 3 are sub-par, the last one is a more niche card.

If you're going to make that hyper-aggressive deck, I think 19-20 lands is preferable. And the 3 and 4 drops aren't going to cut it.

If you want to keep Exava and add planeswalkers, the deck is going to be a lot slower. If you do go that direction you should add some of the control elements like doom blade and duress. You should also probably take some of the 3-drops from the deck you linked to: Shambling Remains, Hellhole Flailer, Ashenmoor Gouger.

Just my 2 cents.

Snydog17 on

8 years ago

Abhorrent Overlord is a decent cards, making a lot of fliers lategame. Master of the Feast would be a decent card early game, despite the card draw, because being able to swing with a 5/5 flier that early is pretty good.

Devo promoters don't have to be solely black. Ashenmoor Gouger is a decent 3-drop that gives 3 devo. Cemetery Puca might be another example of this, especially when paiered with cheap removal like Go for the Throat, Doom Blade, or Fatal Push.

More expensive cards include Geralf's Messenger, Phyrexian Obliterator work well.

I hope that helps, Have fun because Black devo is pretty great.

Hatchman on

8 years ago

Hi a long Time a played a similar Deck, when i see you Decklist i get the following suggestions comes me to Mind.

So that my ideas for you Rakdos Aggro, good Luck further with it.

and for sure a +1 from a Rakdosplayer to another..;)

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