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1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
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Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
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Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
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Historic Brawl Legal
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Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
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Planar Constructed Legal
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Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Adverse Conditions

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Devoid (This card has no color.)

Tap up to two target creatures. Those creatures don't untap during their controller's next untap step. Create a 1/1 colorless Eldrazi Scion creature token. It has "Sacrifice this creature: Gain ."

AceVonDuck on Tazri/Zada

4 years ago

Reznorboy, super glad I didn't overdo it with my suggestions, haha. After looking through your deck again, I can actually understand the decision to include Splicer's Skill over Everdream. You've already got a lot of card draw, so a more explosive token generator seems totally reasonable. Also, Traitorous Greed definitely looks way better than Adverse Conditions. Sure it doesn't generate more tokens, but the double mana (with colors instead of colorless!!!) and the ability to untap all of your creatures and give them haste seems like a much better inclusion (especially if that lets you swing all those 3/3 golems at some poor fool ;P ). Keep it up, I can't get over how interesting this deck is, haha!

Reznorboy on Tazri/Zada

4 years ago

Thanks again for your continued input :). Also, I like more text. More chances to find what I need.

Anyway, I had put in the Maybeboard one combo that I knew about for a while but never acted on, Swell of Growth with Rain of Filth. I'll need to find room for it. However, with your addition of Enter the Unknown (it's actually perfect, seriously) the combo just gets better and more consistent. It makes the ~15 lands I have in hand during my final turn not useless.

I knew about Hundred-Talon Strike, but forgot to actually include it. I will add it but I'll want to first add more cards similar to Cerulean Wisps. (I would be playing that already if I had a copy/more use for it.)

A card I may add that is similar to Adverse Conditions is Traitorous Greed. Rather than making tokens and colorless mana, it makes double the colored mana.

I may add Splicer's Skill (but not Everdream.) (Odd choice, I know). It just feels that despite the higher mana cost, the tokens are invaluable.

Lastly, the whole protection spell thing was absolutely, completely beyond necessary. In the third game I played that day, one of my opponents played a card that gave all creatures -4/-4. I lost that game for that reason. If I had been playing a counterspell (I actually had Ajani's Presence in my hand when he played it, and the mana to do it), I would have most likely won that game as well (tragic, I know).

AceVonDuck on Tazri/Zada

4 years ago

Hmm...and it looks like now my spoiler isn't working. Alright, well, the cards were the following:

Everdream is basically an updated Evermind, but it allows you to splice onto any instant or sorcery (not just Arcane) for one extra mana than Evermind. This means you could use it in conjunction with other non-arcane spells you control, such as splicing it onto Ajani's Presence, Defiant Strike, Twinflame, etc. You could also cast it normally from your hand for the same cost as Evermind's splice cost, which might be nice if you're desperate or in dire need of card draw.

(There's only one other card that can splice onto instants or sorceries, Splicer's Skill, but it's expensive to splice and doesn't really synergize with what you're trying to do.)

Blossoming Defense: only one green mana for an instant! It could theoretically pump up your tokens enough for a lethal combat phase, depending on how many creatures you have. The main reason I brought it up though is that in quite a few situations it could be used as an alternative to your Protection cards, although you won't get the card draw or scry effects, which I assume is the primary reason for their inclusion. Similar to this card, though not as good in my opinion, is Dive Down.
Okay, so Enter the Unknown in particular really caught my eye, and is one card I would personally put in the deck, were I to purchase and assemble it to play with my own playgroup.

Comparing it to Explore, it's cheaper, but you lose the flat card draw. HOWEVER, it targets a creature, meaning if it targets Zada, every creature you control will Explore. For each Explore trigger, if the card you reveal from the top of your library is a land, you immediately put it into your hand (note, this is mandatory and doesn't count as drawing a card, which may be useful in some niche situations, such as an opponent controlling a Consecrated Sphinx or Smothering Tithe). You may then play that land (once the stack is empty) thanks to the secondary effect of being able to play an extra land this turn, same as Explore. But unlike Explore, you would get to play an extra land for every creature you control. So that's neat. However, if the card you reveal from exploring is NOT a land, the creature that the spell (or copy) is targeting immediately gets a +1/+1 counter. THEN, you may choose to either put the revealed card back on top of your library, OR into your graveyard. And then you still get to play additional lands for each copy of Enter the Unknown.

What's more, as long as you don't get rid of Elixir of Immortality, you can intentionally put revealed non-land cards that you don't desperately need into your graveyard. This gives you more opportunities to Explore (the keyword) into more lands to play, or more opportunities to buff your creatures, or it could even simply serve as library / graveyard filter.

One more card I'd like to mention in relation to Enter the Unknown is Gaea's Blessing. I don't think it would be worth including without Enter the Unknown, but if run together, could serve as a backup plan / alternative to Elixir of Immortality, since Exploring into it can immediately recover your graveyard into your library, including Gaea's Blessing itself. However, it would almost certainly be a wasted slot by itself (except to fetch Elixir of Immortality but that's still too niche), which is why I'm mentioning it here instead of in its own entry.

All in all, I honestly feel that Enter the Unknown is worth considering the most out of any of the others I've mentioned so far. That said, I don't want you to feel obligated to include it. After all, I haven't playtested the current decklist on TappedOut yet, so I have no idea if it's even a necessary inclusion. You've had a few chances to play and even win, now. It's your deck, and you know it the best, so it's totally up to you.

Crypsis doesn't really synergize with your deck since it doesn't include a card advantage (or similar) effect, but it is a way of safely swinging at opponents or reacting to a creature's targeted ability (or Crypt Rats-esque abilities) without also preventing yourself from targeting your own stuff. It also has the added benefit of untapping all of your creatures, but overall it may be too situational or non-synergistic to put it in the deck. Still, thought it was worth mentioning.
Hundred-Talon Strike: I'm sure you're aware of this card already, I just wanted to be sure. That splice cost seems really nice, considering Tazra herself, tokens made by Battle Screech or Raise the Alarm, and any copies of those you make, would all be able to pay for the splice cost, rather than having to spend mana. The downside is that it forces you to have at least one white creature to pay its splice cost, making it slightly less flexible than some other options. Still, I wanted to at least be sure you were aware of it.
Adverse Conditions is another card that still doesn't quite synergize with what you're doing, and it has CMC 4, which is expensive for your mana curve. Still, it could be simultaneous ramp and token population (of sorts). Cast this when you have a ton of creatures, targeting only Zada, and you immediately get a bunch of untapped 1/1s equal to the number of creatures you already control, which could exponentially grow your board for more Zada triggers, or you can just use them to sac for to pay for more spells.

AceVonDuck on Tazri/Zada

4 years ago

(Hah! TappedOut ate my comment. Let's try again.)

In regards to appreciating the deck, of course, haha! I absolutely adore janky and unique play styles. I get so tired of seeing the same tired deck concepts and "high salt" (according to EDHRec) cards in my playgroup, it's always super refreshing to see new, unconventional ways to play. ALSO HOOOOOOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED HOW Rite of Replication WORKS WITH ZADA, WOOOOOW! I have no idea why that didn't click when I first saw it in the deck! If you can resolve it, that's so beautifully evil, oh my god!

Er, anyway, regaining my composure, heh. As far as the protection thing goes, it shouldn't be too much of a problem, so long as you're careful with it and only use it to wrap up your comboing or in response to a threat. Did it find solid use (or potential for use) in your matches with your group? I also had another question: is there any reason in particular that you haven't included any enchantments whatsoever? I can't help but wonder how Parallel Lives or Mana Reflection (especially considering you already have Basalt Monolith in the deck) would perform, despite their comparatively expensive CMCs to the rest of your mana curve. I realize they're both a bit pricey to purchase, but oh man, regardless, I can't help but envision Rite of Replication and Zada going off while Parallel Lives is on the field. Again, not sure if there's a specific reason you haven't included enchantments, was just wondering.

One last thing I noted upon reading the entire decklist again: unless I'm missing something, in the deck's current state, Manamorphose, Explore, and most of your token generating cards only get their "as designed" single use before you have to shuffle them back out of your graveyard with Elixir of Immortality and hope to draw them again. Am I missing anything, or is that correct?

Anyway, that's awesome to hear about the win. I'm sure the expressions on your playgroup's faces were priceless!

Here are some cards that came to mind and some others that I stumbled across:

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Anyway, that's all for me today. I'm certain there are plenty more cool or even better cards to include, but if I research any more right now, I'll likely be up all not, haha.

Congrats again on the win! Lemme know what you think of the cards I mentioned. I'll keep my eye on this deck as well as new cards for it, since I really love how silly this concept is.

AceVonDuck on Tazri/Zada

4 years ago

(I'm going to apologize in advance right now, since I was studying for an exam earlier and took some Adderall to help me focus. As a result, this comment is about to get a super wordy. Very sorry.

thesilentpyro on Colorful Footprints

5 years ago

I haven't fleshed out the description for the new list yet, but the general gist is it takes the ideas from this list and trims down the CMC (TappedOut doesn't do CMC for split cards correctly, so the number it reports is wrong), adds protection effects, efficient standalone token producers, efficient targeted clone spells, and tries to go instant speed where it can, and it removes the slow, narrow, and situational cards. In general, it's faster and more resilient with fewer dead cards and more potential to win out of nowhere.

Notable removals from this deck:

  • Mentor effects: Talrand, Sky Summoner , Docent of Perfection  Flip, Metallurgic Summonings : Mentor effects are slow, removal magnets, and generally not as good as efficient standalone token producers (the same four mana for Talrand gets you five creatures immediately off Hunted Troll ) or clone spells. These three were cut because they're the most expensive, plus Talrand and Summonings don't have the same synergy with the added clone effects.
  • Targeted token makers: Adverse Conditions , AEther Mutation , Supplant Form : Expensive, replaced by cheaper clones like Quasiduplicate . Clones have additional synergy with Hunted creatures and the few ETB utility dudes ( Eternal Witness , Imperial Recruiter , Spellseeker ).
  • Wincons: Berserk , Confront the Unknown , Fiery Gambit , Willbreaker : Berserk and Confront have been replaced by Appeal / Authority , though Confront might still be better. Gambit is a 3-mana wincon that's annoying to resolve and still doesn't win through infinite life like LabMan does. It's been replaced by Kari Zev's Expertise , which is a wincon, untap/haste effect for Earthcraft, Cryptolith Rite, and Natural Affinity, and also has the insane ability to cast a spell from your hand for free for each creature, and each of those spells then gets copied as well. Willbreaker is painfully slow, requires you to cast another spell to actually do anything, and doesn't even give the haste/untap from red threaten effects. If the deck needs to pass the turn after it tries to go off, Willbreaker's likely going to get removed anyway.
  • Synergy: Isochron Scepter and Unsubstantiate : Too slow, and your cheap instants are redundant enough that you don't really need to be able to repeat a specific one. Plus, most of the time you'd want to put a cantrip on it, and Scepter actually increases the cost of those. These are slow win-more cards that look clever but don't actually end up doing much in practice because the deck is already plenty redundant.
  • Hexproof equipment: Swiftfoot Boots and Champion's Helm : Cut for Lightning Greaves . Shroud looks anti-synergistic, but the zero equip cost means you can move it over to a token on your turn when you're ready to do things and it can be used to give a mana army haste for Cryptolith Rite or Natural Affinity. If you need to protect Ink-Treader while actually going off, shroud is worse than hexproof, but generally you'll just wait to go off until you have a protection spell ready.
  • Cantrip: Shadow Rift : This was actually the hardest cut. Instant-speed targeted cantrips are what makes the deck tick, and for a while I had Refocus in. I eventually decided that the difference between 10 and 11 1-mana cantrips was negligible, and Shadow Rift is the worst one (it does literally nothing; everything having shadow is the same as nothing having shadow). All of the others have at least some utility or synergy.

There's actually an infinite combo in the deck with Spellseeker + Earthcraft/Cryptolith Rite: With one of the rampchantments and Inktreader in play plus some mana to start, cast Spellseeker into Twinflame . Twinflame (radiated) copies Spellseeker and gets more hasty dudes to tap for mana. New Seeker gets Regrowth , which gets Twinflame back. Twinflame again gets you even more dudes, plus two new Spellseekers. One of those seekers gets Eladamri's Call into Eternal Witness , which gets Twinflame back, the other seeker getting a cantrip. The next Twinflame not only gets you four more seeker-tutors, it also gives you another Witness, which can get back Twinflame again, and further Twinning makes multiple Witnesses so you can get back your graveyard, all while drawing your deck through the cantrips you've seeker'd up and getting an infinite army of hasty dudes for attacking and mana (you're tapping two for Twinflame mana every iteration, but each cast doubles your army size).

The most exciting single new card by far is Electrodominance . For a long time I had Savage Summoning in the list because instant speed is so important for combo decks, and this just replaced it. Dominance has the downside of not being able to cast Ink-Treader from the command zone, but it works on all spell types instead of just creatures, can be used as removal in a pinch, AND it's targeted, which means it has the Kari Zev's Expertise effect of casting a free spell for each creature on the field that then also get radiated. We play targeted indestructible effects for protection and Pongify anyways, so you're likely to not even reduce the creature count from the Dominance damage. EOT radiated Electrodominance for X=3 is generally game.

theindigoeffect on Need Disruption/Semi-Wrath That Also Provides …

6 years ago

The colors that I specifically need help with are red/blue/green.

Some of what I have so far: Mana Drain, Baral's Expertise Incendiary Command, Spell Swindle, Adverse Conditions, Rewind, Snap, Muddle the Mixture, Molten Psyche, Collective Defiance, Monastery Siege, Izzet Charm, Fateful Showdown, Combustible Gearhulk, etc.

I am trying to maintain a board state with my The Locust God and Animar, Soul of Elements decks, so while something similar to a Decree of Pain in those colors would be great, something similar to Baral's Expertise would be even better, but I am open to all suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Gattison on U/B Ingest

6 years ago

Unfortunately, Prophet of Distortion, Blighted Cataract, Adverse Conditions & Cryptic Cruiser are all uncommons only, and therefore not pauper legal.

Crumbling Vestige could replace the land, maybe. otherwise I would just go up to 4x Evolving Wilds because it combos so nicely with Brainstorm.

I would put those 3 Slip Through Spaces in place of the 3 Adverse Conditions.

Instead of the Prophet, maybe do +1 Sludge Crawler, +1 Salvage Drone and +1 Benthic Infiltrator?

Grasp of Darkness (was printed as a common previously) will be more effective than Tar Snare (and probably just as hard/easy to cast), but there's also Terror and Unsummon/Vapor Snag to consider.

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