Grasp of Darkness

Instant

Target creature gets -4/-4 until end of turn.

Discussion (50)

jbgrv on EDH Removal Master List

3 weeks ago

This is really great list! Please keep updating.

Some of cards I found missing:

Black Eliminate , Grasp of Darkness , Feed the Swarm - oh yes, black can now destroy enchantments! Blue Ravenform - oh yes, blue can now EXILE ceatures or artifacts! White Angelic Edict , Cleansing Nova , Ondu Inversion  ^Flip, Doomskar Green Viridian Shaman , Thrashing Brontodon . Fight effects of Gargos, Vicious Watcher , Territorial Allosaurus , Primal Might , Ram Through Red Shatterskull Smashing  ^Flip and what about enrage effects from Silverclad Ferocidons or damage from Needletooth Raptor or Burning Sun's Avatar ?

MLS91 on Relics of Fear

1 month ago

Profet93

1. Yes, I've played maybe 4 games of EDH since the beginning of covid, my playgroup consisted of a stax player(he mainly played Golos and Zur), a combo player, a casually competitive player and myself whom I would consider also a casually competitive player (insight to best describe myself is that I enjoy playing Land Destruction and aggro style builds, physical damage in games is highly underrated and misunderstood at my local LGS and I use that to my advantage, I came into magic when i first started playing into a heavy control environment and just don't really "understand"/like the archetype)

2. Im not really about it either, i've included a single snow covered swamp for synergy with Field of the Dead

3. I don't plan on running snow lands as such will likely not run Dead of Winter

4. I ended up cutting Grasp of Darkness for Tragic Slip , i'm in the same spirit likely to cut Dismember for Feed the Swarm I hadn't thought about the likely hood of coming across Leyline of the Void or even Rest in Peace

Omniscience_is_life on Relics of Fear

1 month ago

All I'll say is Grasp of Darkness is a pretty useless card. Feed the Swarm is much better.

MLS91 on Relics of Fear

1 month ago

Profet93

in order of your thoughts/questions:

1. Lotus Petal

utilizing the Scrap Trawler loop i.e. Junk Diver + Myr Retriever and a sac outlet, you sacrifice the petal, it hits the yard, sacrifice either Myr Retriever or Junk Diver , Scrap Trawler ability on the stack target the Petal resolve the retriever ability targeting whatever . Then you play the petal, sac the petal, sac the Junk Diver / Myr Retriever , with the abilities on the stack target petal with the trawler ability and then myr/diver with the common ability shared between them(i.e. diver can target retriever/retriever can target diver). You will achieve infinite colored mana in this manner

1. We seem to share a philosophy in deck building, good to make common and relatable grounds with you. I respect you assessment and will keep an open mind to it, ill make sure to keep in touch about when i finally have the freedom to play.

2. What is it you're specifically referencing? I like Unearth because it hits all key creatures in the deck for one mana and unlike reanimate doesn't cost me life to do so.

3. where as i would agree with you in every case but this, i find that this correction will be made if or when i find that i can reliably trigger morbid consistently because yes, -13/-13 is great for 1cmc, however if I cannot trigger morbid it's 1cmc for -1/-1 where as i'd rather pay 2cmc for -4/-4. that being said I otherwise agree with you that Tragic Slip is a better option over Grasp of Darkness but until I can games in ill stick with the limit. (the sweet spot most people don't realize of most creatures is in fact 4)

4. Massacre Wurm is a love of mine however Noxious Gearhulk currently holds this slot. We could surely discuss the swap between the two, however Gearhulk has more direct synergy with the build. Both accomplish something similar and different at the same time

MLS91 on Relics of Fear

1 month ago

Profet93

I get the flexibility you're talking about in terms of Thespian's Stage in comparison. However ill keep that in mind when i comes to play testing when i get the ability to in the future.

Lotus Petal can be chained infinitely with the scrap trawler line thus another back up of infinite mana for Tergrid's Lantern . I don't like Bubbling Muck because of its symmetry as you've also noticed but did proxy in (until i can get my hands on one) the Jet Medallion

I like the idea of Blast Zone but can't justify the loss ill take as well since it effects the board

Syphon Mind was cut earlier because instead of a use once sorcery regardless of the "value" it accrues, Grim Haruspex is both more explosive in draw power and more easily recurable within the confines of both mono black, and the deck itself.

to note a conversation with some fellows from my play group however there will be a couple adjustments incoming and as follows,

-1 Liliana's Triumph for +1 Grasp of Darkness

-1To be determined... for +1 Toxic Deluge

the reasoning being, in an attempt to understand or prepare for the hypothetical weakness of the deck (aggro/token strategies) i've determined that adding some spot removal (lack of opponent having a choice) to accompany the sacrificial removal spells (opponent has the choice) as well as an additional boardwipe in case of "oh shit" moments that being said there is also the possibility that Grasp of Darkness may eventually be replaced by Executioner's Capsule due to it being both an artifact and recurable.

What are your thoughts?

I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks on ...Ingestice for All

1 month ago

Cast Down is strictly better then Grasp of Darkness because there are no legends in pauper and I dont think any indestructible

Weird_Frisbee on INFECT IN STANDARD??!!?

1 month ago

Mido_, I really enjoy that idea, it would be epic but I don't wanna really go Jund and further complicate my manabase lol

SaintFinni, Poison the Cup is a solid idea, right next to Grasp of Darkness . I think for right now tho, the sheer mana efficiency of Bloodchief's Thirst coupled with Eliminate is really appealing to me as this is a fairly hyper-aggro deck.

Kurppa on Pauper Knights

3 months ago

Cool deck! i really like tribal decks, and knights have decent support in pauper.

however, there are some ipmrovements to make. i'd cut Knight of New Benalia, for a strictly better knight Daring Skyjek. or maybe a Benalish Cavalry, if you don't want a 3/1. also you might consider cutting thraben inspector for Changeling Outcast or maybe even a Universal Automaton if you a 1-drop knight.

also, you definitely need more interaction in the mainboard. maybe something like Disfigure, Mire's Grasp or Last Gasp, Unmake, Oblivion Ring, or even Grasp of Darkness (though that might be too hard to cast).Celestial Flare, Chainer's Edict, Diabolic Edict, and Pharika's Libation could also work. You could also add more Journey to Nowhere in the main, and move the Cast Down to the mainboard.

other than that a cool deck!