: Goblin Cannon deals 1 damage to target creature or player. Sacrifice Goblin Cannon.
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|Fifth Dawn (5DN)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Goblin Cannon Discussion
1 month ago
Whirlwind_2100 Thank you so much! I'm really glad to hear that you're having fun with the deck!
The list that I have there is the list that I currently run. It has enough stax-y elements that I can usually keep myself safe without running so many that I don't get to play the deck anymore.
If you wanted to improve on the deck I'd cut the planeswalker "package" ( Ugin, the Ineffable , Chandra, Flamecaller , The Chain Veil , and maybe even Karn Liberated ; I'd definitely keep Ugin, the Spirit Dragon though).
Coveted Jewel would also be a good cut to consider but I've been a big fan and it's become a pet card of mine.
The land count might also be 1 or 2 too high, but I've been pretty happy with it at 36. If you cut the planeswalker package you could probably shave off a land and be just fine due to their high CMC and inability to cheat them out.
To make the deck a bit better, it all depends on what you feel like the deck is lacking and what direction you want to take it in for your meta! Stax ( Jokulhaups , Sphere of Resistance , Ward of Bones ); protection ( Crawlspace , Glacial Crevasses ); infinite mana sinks ( Goblin Cannon ); mana rocks ( Mox Diamond , Fellwar Stone , Everflowing Chalice ); or just generally good cards ( Treasure Nabber , Quicksmith Genius , Sculpting Steel , Extraplanar Lens ); are just a few of the options you can choose to make this deck work better for you and your meta.
Best of luck with the deck and, once again, I'm glad you're enjoying it!!
2 months ago
I'm a fan of the bomer man combo though Lion's Eye Diamond is stupid expensive the ability to make infinite mana and funnel it into a Walking Ballista or Goblin Cannon is usually pretty efficient. I love Norns artwork but I hate that its 7 mana...I love commanders that act as card advantage engines and are relevant at all points in the game Sram or Teshar fit the bill and I'd reccomend them.
3 months ago
Passive aggressiveness aside, I'm not just looking at the sigi list and quoting straight from that. I don't mind the idea of looking at differnet win conditions and I'm not saying that every deck that is built has to be a cEDH list. But there's a sliding scale. Hell, why not go for infinite 1/1 saprolings in a mono blue deck using Druidic Satchel with Tezzeret the Seeker and a Scroll Rack ?
Specifically on your combo, I was just making a point about how even though you're leveraging a non-combo piece of the deck as part of your combo (which is good deck building), your combo piece (which you don't need Capsize for - the Teferi loop involves recasting him from the command zone) doesn't do much for you at all outside of combo. So what happened was your first comment could have been (and in this case was) read as you could use Capsize or you could use BrainFreeze.
Yes, I am aware that you can use Brain Freeze to shut down tomp of deck tutors, but we both know that one would only use it as such in an absolute pinch. And we have moved well past having to use Goblin Cannon as a win condition - Blue Sun's Zenith draws you cards (and reshuffles which is nice) and Walking Ballista kills dorks - both of these cards do more outside of the combo and don't rely on mill (since at more pub-stompty ends of EDH eldrazi are a thing).
As a broader statement (and this was not specifically targetted at you, however I can appreciate that it may have come across as such), I see a lot of people making recommendations for deck win conditions which are not actually win contitions. Infinite mana does not equal the win and in this case, I was pointing out that Capsize + infinite mana with a PW commander does not equal a win either. Again, there are other posts on this thread that make reference to lots of infinite mana loops and even with Teferi by himself, that's STILL not a win. And since I have seen many posts/decks in the past either have a heap of infinite mana outlets but next to no loops, or heaps of infinite mana loops but only one outlet, I thought I would make a statement.
3 months ago
ShutUpMokuba: Yeah, not a fun situation to be in.
As for the deck itself, if you're going to build Urza, the base should be fairly cheap depending on what you're trying to do. If you're going full tilt, the main cards you're looking at needing would be Isochron Scepter , Dramatic Reversal , some sort of back up line (e.g. Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth - although that card is like 1/6 of your budget so you could go Grand Architect + Pili-Pala if needs be) and then some infinite mana outlet. Walking Ballista is an easy choice, so is Goblin Cannon (which is also a butt-load cheaper).
as for card advantage and interaction, you have Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Impulse , Ponder , Preordain , Brainstorm , Gitaxian Probe , Anticipate , Mystic Confluence , Gush , Mystic Remora , Howling Mine , Counterspell , Delay , Disallow , Void Shatter , Negate , Dispel , Spell Pierce , Reality Shift (which works with elixir as a backup combo once you have infinite mana), Rapid Hybridization , Pongify , Cyclonic Rift , Back to Basics , etc which are for the most part <$5.
It's not going to be the most competitive Urza deck, but against other $300-400 decks it should do fine.
7 months ago
I suggest adding Rings of Brighthearth as an easier way to setup a combo. With Rings in play, you can copy Tezz’s tutor ability to bring two artifacts into play: Basalt Monolith and Rocket Launcher/ Goblin Cannon . You can loop these to deal “infinite” damage.
8 months ago
ToshiroU The Paradox Scepter lines cannot function in this deck. Damping Sphere , Rule of Law , and Arcane Laboratory straight up stop the combo, and Oppression makes using an in-hand wincon with it impossible. Our multitude of taxation effects also make it difficult to work with. The Goblin Cannon is a necessary evil for this reason, while I would like the efficiency of using Sensei's Divining Top in its stead, with Rings copying the draw effect, drawing the top card, then placing SDT on top, then drawing it, replaying it with infinite mana, rinse+repeat to draw your deck, etc. to draw into any wincon would be preferable, but just doesn't work with the current deck.
This deck is Stax incarnate, and while it may appear that Thrasios or Zur or Najeela are better at top decking into gas, with many tutors and value engines, we often shut those out. Humility alone can stop 80% of the value engines, and Chains of Mephistopheles can shut down most of the rest, with an Aven Mindcensor (perhaps will be replaced or added too with an Ashiok) probably cutting 99% of all topdecks, while many tax effects into an Armageddon can end most topdecks all together. This is how the deck is built to work, stopping opponents from havings outs to anything. We can shut off creatures, tutors, card draw, ramp, casting multiple spells, sometimes enough tax to stop them from casting any spells, we stop entire decks by hating on everything, but that means our wincons need to be resilient to all of our stax. The Tezzeret line was made by me to do just that.
Otherwise, Necropotence, Teferi, Narset, Ashiok, and Terminus are on the 'to-test' list. Force of Negation , Talisman of Hierarchy , Silent Clearing , and maybe Prismatic Vista will be added, so could multiple other War of the Spark cards, so this deck needs updating. I have currently been playing so many decks I haven't had much time to update this one, and I have been ill since last Saturday, so I haven't had much work on this doen at all.
8 months ago
I would like to share some thoughts on your decklists with u. I currently brew my own version of Aminatou Stax and there are some card choices I would like to discuss with you.
First of all I wanna thank you for uploading your lists and sharing this with the community! I'm actually quite excited for your answers :-)
Regarding Aminatou, what inspired me to brew Esper Stax are the new cards from War of the Spark. I got that Blood Pod Brew for some time already and consider myself to be experienced with that deck and with stax in general. I can't afford cards like Twister, Duals, Chains of Mephistopheles or Tabernacle, so I brew without these. My playgroup in Germany is still quite competitive, with all the major T1 Decks around. At our table there is actually currently one deck that warps the meta around it and that is Shuffle Hulk, so I wanna focus on the interaction with that type of deck.
I would like to talk about your / my wincondition. I wonder, if Rings of Brighthearth , Basalt Monolith and Goblin Cannon as the main plan are really better than Paradox Engine and Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal ? Especially that Goblin Cannon annoys me...
You'd win with Codex Shredder or Blind Obedience , which both fit in nicely anyway. One could add cards to draw the own deck like Stroke of Genius and play like Scroll Rack + Land Tax or maybe even the new Urza, Lord High Artificer instead of Clock of Omens .
Sure, cards like Rule of Law , Arcane Laboratory or Damping Sphere hinder the scepter-plan, but these won't do anything against Shuffle Hulk anyway. On the other hand, Rings + Basalt also win with Ashiok, Dream Render or Narset, Parter of Veils which u probably wanna play...
I myself am not sure about that question. White-Blue control decks always win slowly and that has honestly been the biggest issue for them in cEDH. Thrasios / Thymna can easily grind out a softlock and win with one tutor into Ad Naus or combo out through a Paradox Engine.
Following up I would like to know your opinion on these cards:
Teferi, Time Raveler and friends (Narset, Ashiok, Dovin)
And last but not least I am interested in your experiences with the discard package ( Liliana of the Veil , Bottomless Pit , Oppression ). When playtesting it felt like these cards create some kind of topdeck-mode for each play on the table. Still, I consider Aminatou not in the strongest position in this kind of situation against other Generals Thrasios / Thymna, Najeela, Zur, or any commander that tutors or creates value... To me it always felt best when I was able to flicker some value outlet (Creature or Planeswalker) to dig for answers or protect my stax piece(s)...
:-) I look forward to your reply! Ah and I'd like to mention a very funcard from playtesting, probably not very competitive but it was very fun to do the moves with Oath of Teferi + Aminatou ;-)
9 months ago
hope595, we got there. Sydri, Aetherflux Genius - $150 is done. It uses a decent number of Stax/Control effects to protect us from aggro till we can combo. This list keeps the primary Ad Naus/Necro + Angel's Grace lines, keeps the Aetherflux lines, keeps the Dramatic Scepter lines, and adds in mana and storm outlets like Blind Obedience , Goblin Cannon , and Rocket Launcher in favor of the Sharuum, KCI, and Labman packages. This leaves us with a well focused deck that hates on creature-based builds, has a lot of draw power, and uses effects to make our things cost less to cast in place of the fast mana we would ideally have. All in all, it's a strong list and was VERY challenging to make for the $150 budget. I hope you enjoy!