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: Goblin Cannon deals 1 damage to target creature or player. Sacrifice Goblin Cannon.
Goblin Cannon Discussion
2 hours ago
ToshiroU The Paradox Scepter lines cannot function in this deck. Damping Sphere , Rule of Law , and Arcane Laboratory straight up stop the combo, and Oppression makes using an in-hand wincon with it impossible. Our multitude of taxation effects also make it difficult to work with. The Goblin Cannon is a necessary evil for this reason, while I would like the efficiency of using Sensei's Divining Top in its stead, with Rings copying the draw effect, drawing the top card, then placing SDT on top, then drawing it, replaying it with infinite mana, rinse+repeat to draw your deck, etc. to draw into any wincon would be preferable, but just doesn't work with the current deck.
This deck is Stax incarnate, and while it may appear that Thrasios or Zur or Najeela are better at top decking into gas, with many tutors and value engines, we often shut those out. Humility alone can stop 80% of the value engines, and Chains of Mephistopheles can shut down most of the rest, with an Aven Mindcensor (perhaps will be replaced or added too with an Ashiok) probably cutting 99% of all topdecks, while many tax effects into an Armageddon can end most topdecks all together. This is how the deck is built to work, stopping opponents from havings outs to anything. We can shut off creatures, tutors, card draw, ramp, casting multiple spells, sometimes enough tax to stop them from casting any spells, we stop entire decks by hating on everything, but that means our wincons need to be resilient to all of our stax. The Tezzeret line was made by me to do just that.
Otherwise, Necropotence, Teferi, Narset, Ashiok, and Terminus are on the 'to-test' list. Force of Negation , Talisman of Hierarchy , Silent Clearing , and maybe Prismatic Vista will be added, so could multiple other War of the Spark cards, so this deck needs updating. I have currently been playing so many decks I haven't had much time to update this one, and I have been ill since last Saturday, so I haven't had much work on this doen at all.
18 hours ago
I would like to share some thoughts on your decklists with u. I currently brew my own version of Aminatou Stax and there are some card choices I would like to discuss with you.
First of all I wanna thank you for uploading your lists and sharing this with the community! I'm actually quite excited for your answers :-)
Regarding Aminatou, what inspired me to brew Esper Stax are the new cards from War of the Spark. I got that Blood Pod Brew for some time already and consider myself to be experienced with that deck and with stax in general. I can't afford cards like Twister, Duals, Chains of Mephistopheles or Tabernacle, so I brew without these. My playgroup in Germany is still quite competitive, with all the major T1 Decks around. At our table there is actually currently one deck that warps the meta around it and that is Shuffle Hulk, so I wanna focus on the interaction with that type of deck.
I would like to talk about your / my wincondition. I wonder, if Rings of Brighthearth , Basalt Monolith and Goblin Cannon as the main plan are really better than Paradox Engine and Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal ? Especially that Goblin Cannon annoys me...
You'd win with Codex Shredder or Blind Obedience , which both fit in nicely anyway. One could add cards to draw the own deck like Stroke of Genius and play like Scroll Rack + Land Tax or maybe even the new Urza, Lord High Artificer instead of Clock of Omens .
Sure, cards like Rule of Law , Arcane Laboratory or Damping Sphere hinder the scepter-plan, but these won't do anything against Shuffle Hulk anyway. On the other hand, Rings + Basalt also win with Ashiok, Dream Render or Narset, Parter of Veils which u probably wanna play...
I myself am not sure about that question. White-Blue control decks always win slowly and that has honestly been the biggest issue for them in cEDH. Thrasios / Thymna can easily grind out a softlock and win with one tutor into Ad Naus or combo out through a Paradox Engine.
Following up I would like to know your opinion on these cards:
Teferi, Time Raveler and friends (Narset, Ashiok, Dovin)
And last but not least I am interested in your experiences with the discard package ( Liliana of the Veil , Bottomless Pit , Oppression ). When playtesting it felt like these cards create some kind of topdeck-mode for each play on the table. Still, I consider Aminatou not in the strongest position in this kind of situation against other Generals Thrasios / Thymna, Najeela, Zur, or any commander that tutors or creates value... To me it always felt best when I was able to flicker some value outlet (Creature or Planeswalker) to dig for answers or protect my stax piece(s)...
:-) I look forward to your reply! Ah and I'd like to mention a very funcard from playtesting, probably not very competitive but it was very fun to do the moves with Oath of Teferi + Aminatou ;-)
1 month ago
hope595, we got there. Sydri, Aetherflux Genius - $150 is done. It uses a decent number of Stax/Control effects to protect us from aggro till we can combo. This list keeps the primary Ad Naus/Necro + Angel's Grace lines, keeps the Aetherflux lines, keeps the Dramatic Scepter lines, and adds in mana and storm outlets like Blind Obedience , Goblin Cannon , and Rocket Launcher in favor of the Sharuum, KCI, and Labman packages. This leaves us with a well focused deck that hates on creature-based builds, has a lot of draw power, and uses effects to make our things cost less to cast in place of the fast mana we would ideally have. All in all, it's a strong list and was VERY challenging to make for the $150 budget. I hope you enjoy!
1 month ago
The second ability on Codex Shredder with infinite mana and a Rings of Brighthearth allows you to infinitely recur cards from your graveyard. This alone doesn't win, but can allow you to win if you have a card like Dimir Charm to mill out opponents.
It is useful to mill yourself in the same way you scry a card to the bottom. You don't need said card. Milling a land when you are on twelve or an Armageddon after you already have win and just need a counterspell to protect it is the use.
2 months ago
Well, mfogle, Teferi, Temporal Archmage is a tier 1 cEDH deck, and some argue to be the best, or tied for best deck in the format, next to tempo lists like Najeela, the Blade-Blossom combo, Captain Sisay stax-combo, and Kess, Dissident Mage consultation lists, to name a few.
It does this because it combos with The Chain Veil , a card that goes infinite with it, as well as the commander's synergy with Stasis / Static Orb / Winter Orb in a stax prison deck with combo plan-b.
Just taking that approach, Saheeli Rai combos with multiple cards, such as Liquimetal Coating + Altar of the Brood , is in great colors for an artifact list, and helps in getting to the combo, with scry (not much, but not little), while being incredibly cheap to cast.
Then there is Tezzeret the Seeker , which both fetches The Chain Veil , and having combos with it. It also has a combo with a Rings of Brighthearth , Goblin Cannon , and Basalt Monolith setup if you need me to explain that one.
Outside of that, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria makes an incredible stax-control build abusing the untap effect with Stasis , Winter Orb , and Static Orb , while drawing you extra cards, mostly removal and countermagic to protect it after it hits. Untapping two blue sources holding up a Counterspell would be incredible alone, but with the stax synergy and card draw it just makes it really easy to break.
For pure value commanders that would pub-stomp LGS's if a player just wants to spend the money, there would then be Jace, the Mindsculptor. That sounds fun, doesn't it! Mono-blue control always is the pinnacle of EDH fun.
Even from the new set, there are incredible busted walkers. Ashiok, Dream Render allows you to shut off tutors and graveyards with relative ease. It is so good at stopping combo decks, and yet because it doesn't affect the user, it will just be run in a combo deck, blue/black has a plethora. Honestly if this was legal in cEDH, I'd imagine it tier 1.5.
Ral, Storm Conduit makes a great storm EDH commander, possibly better than some alternatives. Cards like Doublecast , Fork , Twincast , etc. all can be copied infinitely targetting each other, which allows Ral to go infinite damage. It is a sweet combo deck, another very competitive walker.
Teferi, Time Raveler could actually see very competitive play, like the original Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir was occasionally thought to with Knowledge Pool , really with the addition of minor removal/draw, some worse flash enabling IMO, and white added into the color identity, and a cheaper cost. This means Enlightened Tutor , cards like Rule of Law or other stax, etc. can combo.
So mfogle, do you really think a tier 2 deck like Prossh, Skyraider of Kher , some tier 4 deck like Edgar Markov , tier 3 Muldrotha, the Gravetide , or tier 2.5 Niv-Mizzet, Parun or Narset, Enlightened Master are so much better than any walker throughout Magic History?
2 months ago
The jist is the same. Fetch Rings of Brighthearth , then flicker to fetch Basalt Monolith , then make infinite mana and use an outlet in hand, or wait until you can fetch Staff of Domination on the following turn and draw your deck and win with Goblin Cannon
2 months ago
3 months ago
I agree with Deadpoo111's suggestion of Baral, Chief of Compliance . If you need more aggression for your meta, Talrand, Sky Summoner is another option that plays very similarly (fill it with counterspells, card draw, and bounce spells, so you both control the board and generate tokens).
Another combo you can run involves Tezzeret the Seeker , which only requires two cards on the battlefield to go infinite, as Tezzeret fetches the remaining combo pieces. SynergyBuild just walked someone else through this very same combo earlier today, so, rather than reinvent the wheel, I will just copy and past their guide below:
Use Tezzeret's -3 to fetch a Rings of Brighthearth , -1 Aminatou targeting Tezzeret, then -4 Tezzeret, copying the ability with Rings to fetch Basalt Monolith & Goblin Cannon , use Monolith&Rings to make infinite mana, stack infinite Cannon triggers killing each opponent.
That said, I would not recommend running combo on a budget. Good tutors, like Demonic Tutor , Mystical Tutor , etc. are all pretty expensive, and budget options, like Diabolic Tutor are just incredibly mediocre.
I also would try to stay away from three colours on a budget, as budget three-colour mana bases tend to be very slow, and any improvements will eat up your budget very quickly.
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