Primal Vigor

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Primal Vigor


If one or more tokens would be created, twice that many of those tokens are created instead.

If one or more +1/+1 counters would be placed on a creature, twice that many +1/+1 counters are placed on that creature instead.

Tsukimi on Prime Slime [PRIMER]

2 weeks ago

Chase_To2000 Token doublers like Primal Vigor and Doubling Season do double the +1 +1 counters as well. See Here.

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Atraxa's Egg Cracking Awakening

9 months ago

This is a pretty awesome list and a fresh new way to take a well trodden (and unfortunately stale), but forever cool commander. +1 from me.

Here are some suggestions:

An immediate thought I had for inclusion is Inspiring Call. It won't protect most of your non-token creatures unfortunately (unless you are going ham with Ozolith, the Shattered Spire, but it will protect all of your incubate tokens and draw you cards. Clever Concealment is another great protection spell for token based strategies.

I've personally never been a fan of Primal Vigor since it can backfire spectacularly. You might consider replacing it with a simple ramp spell since 8 true ramps spells is a little low IMO.

Also, for flavor, you could throw in Atraxa, Grand Unifier, but I know it doesn't really play with your strategy here.

Other than that you already have a few of my potential suggestions in your "maybeboard": Eyes of Gitaxias, Compleated Huntmaster, and Blighted Burgeoning.

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Will you forget the head slicing thing!?

10 months ago

Slashdance - Thank you for the supportive comment!

Hooded Hydra is a great call for another 0/0 hydra that has additional utility. I'll have to find a space for that one.

I have never really been a fan of Primal Vigor due to the card's abilities being symmetrical. I've been burned before by it helping my opponents as much as, or more than me in games.

Tetravus is a blast from the past for sure. Not sure if I have room for it or the other iterations of it, but it does have interesting synergy with hydras.

Tocasia's Welcome is great in this deck. First of all, it triggers on creatures with 3 mana value or less, not 3 power or less. Each hydra token I make and each hydra I cast is potential card draw (very rarely will I cast a hydra where X is greater than 0). The "once per turn" clause does limit it's explosiveness compared to the other options I have, but it actually has the widest range among Elemental Bond, Tribute to the World Tree, and Guardian Project in this deck's strategy (I run all of these by the way). Garruk's Uprising is a fantastic card, but I decided to exclude it since most of my creatures come in with less than 4 power.

Slashdance on Advertise your COMMANDER deck!

10 months ago

I love hydras, so thank you for a look at this deck!

Since you're using Cathars' Crusade, I would like to suggest adding Hooded Hydra ... it can really give a nitro boost your other creatures, and can even be death-triggered during an attack if you kill it yourself. Super potent if you have your Doubling Season (or similar) also in play.

Speaking of which, Primal Vigor also plays well with Cathars' Crusade and/or Hooded Hydra.

These cards could really allow a secondary option of going wide when needed.

A bit of a jank suggestion, but it goes well with your hydra theme and everything else I've mentioned, even without being an actual hydra. Tetravus could be a fantastic add to your wonderful deck.

Is Tocasia's Welcome doing much work for you? I assume most of your hydras are coming into play with more than just 3 counters on them, leaving you with only 8 creatures with 3 or less power to trigger the Welcome ... and even some of those may end up not triggering if you have Cathars' Crusade in play. Maybe Garruk's Uprising or better yet Elemental Bond might help to draw cards more often? Doing so would double your potential eligible chances from 8 to 16+, not counting tokens. That said, if you take any of my token advice, like Tetravus, all the card-draw cards start to even out and it's a coin flip.

Thank you and good luck!

Here's my Shalai deck, which is also Hydra based!

Shalai, Full Auto - Primer

Commander / EDH Slashdance


Papini on I wanna be a man, mancub

1 year ago

Hi Gleeock

Such a great song :p I was going to say that Structural Assault was a little unreliable as a board wipe, but you make a great point, my apes will get pumped to offset the damage and it becomes a one-side board wipe. I will test it out. Thanks a lot.

I'm scared that Primal Vigor could easily get out of hand ... That's why I'm running Doubling Season and Parallel Lives instead.

I played Return of the Wildspeaker in the deck but then I switched it out for Inspired Tinkering or Escape to the Wilds I don't remember.

Gleeock on I wanna be a man, mancub

1 year ago

I wanna talk like you, walk like you too-oo-oo

You should use the power of man's red flower to make a one-sided boardwipe: Structural Assault. Because for all that dmg creatures are taking, your apes will get pumped to offset.

You could get real reckless with it: Primal Vigor

Viridian Revel

Return of the Wildspeaker

Steamroll on Grumgully Tribal

1 year ago

-Consider getting rid of Blood Moon cause everyone hates that card as it just ruins the fun at the table lol.
-Branching Evolution, Hardened Scales, and Master Chef allow you to double counters and get really out of hand if you have 2 or 3 doubling effects on the board at once.
-Primal Vigor is another Doubling Season and is great but is a double-edged sword as it also effects your opponents.

My version of this deck I just updated just to give you some ideas...
(I don't run any infinite combos because I loath them, just a fyi.)

Very Generous Goblins

Commander / EDH Steamroll


Max_Hammer on These silly hoomans - Need Help

1 year ago

Well hello there! I had way too much time on my hands, so here’s this. By the way, it’s all ordered best to worst. (:

Pay less to play more.

  • Circle of Dreams Druid is going to drop loads of mana, assuming you can pay the three green.
  • Fallaji Wayfarer is going to give all of your stuff (including your commander) convoke! Not all, but a lot.
  • Hamza, Guardian of Arashin is going to make a lot of your creatures cost a lot less.
  • Herald of War makes all of your humans dirt cheap if he gets counters. But, oh, what’s that? This deck loves making counters for creatures? Perfect.
  • Nissa's Expedition is just Cultivate but it potentially costs a lot less.
  • Gaea's Cradle is perfect if you have a small fortune laying around and you’re in need of mana.
I need more! More!!!

  • Bennie Bracks, Zoologist every time you make a token? So every turn? Alright, sick.
  • Ulvenwald Mysteries lets you investigate the murder of your entire army. A board wipe kills this deck, but this (plus loads of mana) could help bring it back.
  • Season of Growth lets you scry a lot, letting you look for pretty much whatever and just pull it out.
No, you’re not allowed to have that! Because I said so! Exile it! Now!

  • Devouring Light, Conclave Tribunal, Hour of Reckoning are all removal spells but if you’re on a mana budget with a lot of 1/1’s.
  • Elspeth Tirel is a board wipe, if you manage to keep her around for long enough. If that’s not what you need, though, she’s got plenty of utility otherwise.
  • Coordinated Barrage, Kabira Takedown  Flip, and Outflank aren’t super powerful, but can destroy pretty much anything that comes your way. If it’s not hexproofed, shrouded, or indestructible, it will be killed.
  • Devout Chaplain says “The power of Christ compels you! Begone!” but this time it actually works.
  • Sanctuary Lockdown lets you say “Not this combat phase, Satan,” and if you have enough mana, you can do that again and again and again. Plus, if you decide you can’t, then it’s still a big boy.
  • Kamahl's Will will destroy just about anything in sight and can give you extra attacking force, if you can manage a way to keep all of your lands safe.
Gotta keep your stuff safe, yeah?

  • Loxodon Hierarch is going to save your deck (which is very sensitive to board wipes) from a board wipe, judy once. Use wisely.
  • Scapegoat won’t save your tokens, but it will save everyone else, commander included.
  • Kindred Boon can slowly but surely make literally every creature you own indestructible.
  • Ephemeral Shields is extra protection that can easily be pulled out of your back pocket.
  • Basri's Lieutenant isn’t going to save your deck, but it will buy you time or give you a chance next turn at a kill, if the board wiper was low.
Make all of your stuff bigger!

Make more stuff! The theme of these suggestions is Give me more, if you couldn’t have guessed.

Might of the Masses is always fun in a creature deck, one green for a massive “Fuck you” at instant speed is great. Now here’s a bunch of Might of the Masses style cards.

I was looking for cards with the keyword “Human” and a million Gideon cards came up, so here’s all of the Gideon Planeswalkers. None of them are bad, per se, but all Gideon cards are not made equal.

  • Gideon, the Oathsworn just happens to slip and give all of your creatures an absurd number of counters. Not to mention the big body (noticing a pattern yet?) and the one-sided board wipe! He’s got a weird face again, sadly, pass.
  • Gideon, Champion of Justice is a board wipe and a big, bad creature all wrapped into one. 7/10, he can dominate me.
  • Gideon Jura can goad and destroy stuff. Perfect for removal and instigating fights when you know you’ll win. Not to mention the big scary 6/6 lurking beneath. Also a weird face, pass.
  • Gideon of the Trials reads “Fuck your biggest creature, he’s not going to do anything, and also, as long as I’m around, fuck you more.” Nothing crazy, but can definitely make you public enemy #1 for having an effect like that. Pretty normal face, but that ability makes him a dick. 3.4/10
  • Kytheon, Hero of Akros  Flip is just some kid. Ignore him. This is a child, pass.
  • Gideon, Battle-Forged!? Where did you come from? Nothing super interesting here, but for one mana not bad. Weird face, pass.
  • Gideon, Martial Paragon can give buffs to all of your stuff, which is definitely not bad at all, and your opponents are automatically dead if he gets that ten ability off. That said, this Gideon can get it. 10/10.
  • Gideon Blackblade is eh. He’s okay. He can get it, though. 7/10.
  • Gideon, Ally of Zendikar can do some generic Gideon stuff. Make tokens, give buffs, be a 4/4. Eh. 6.7/10.
This is just stuff I couldn’t find a specific panel for, so yeah.

Your deck is pretty spotless, so unless some of these are direct upgrades or you know what you want to take out, then this is all I have for you here.

  • Thraben Doomsayer’s first ability can be easily beaten by other cards, and his second ability is mostly useless, since you’re pretty screwed at 5 HP either way.
  • Heron's Grace Champion Lifelink is cool, but not something you super need. It’d be worth it if it was permanent, but it’s not, so pass.
  • Maja, Bretagard Protector just feels a little expensive for such a lackluster ability, Idunno.
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