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Fall of the Titans
Surge (You may cast this spell for its surge cost if you or a teammate has cast another spell this turn.)
Fall of the Titans deals X damage to each of up to two target creatures and/or players.
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Fall of the Titans Discussion
Panas on Chemo Ramp
4 days ago
Alright! I gave the deck a quick look and it looks relatively good overall. I understand you are not in a very competitive meta (or at least, not a very cutthroat one at that) and that budget is a concern albeit not a very crazy one.
I see enough card draw and cards that replace themselves. I also liked that you built the deck accordingly, avoiding enchantment and artifact inclusions to fit the theme of blowing all of them up.
With that said we reach the greatest flaw in the deck. Without any strong, early ramp and so many high costed cards doing what you want, your deck is left slow and clunky and will often durdle and fold to early advantage gained by other people through the same things you hate. Breaking a Sylvan Library on turn 5 means that opponent already has gained all the value in the world out of it and probably doesn't care too much that it's being destroyed.
A second point I want to make is that although you do have a lot of big mana plays, a LOT of them are inefficient considering the resource investment into them (mana cost Vs effect + P/T). Here's a list of which ones I didn't like too much and the reasoning behind it:
- Avatar of Might is a vanilla trampler in your deck. Unless you are facing against a fast aggro deck or token generator, you are the one playing the creature deck so I wouldn't expect to cast it on the cheap side often.
- Deus of Calamity is an awesome card but it needs the proper enablers (double strike/constant buffs) for it to work as intended and even then it's a "win more" card. In effect it does a hell of a lot under certain conditions, but those are hard to come by and when you are behind you'd prefer playing something else.
- Domesticated Hydra a very high investment just to get a trampler. Evasion is good but when you compare these kind of cards with enablers like Thunderfoot Baloth and Siege Behemoth they are very lackluster.
- Havenwood Wurm: 7 mana for a 5/6 trampler? You can do a lot better than this. The instant speed doesn't warrant this investment as it is essentially asking you to skip your turn to play this.
- Stonebrow, Krosan Hero would be a lot better in a shell where mass trample and Overrun effects ran rampant. This is not the case so quite often he will be giving you an extra 2-4 damage on swing. He's not that bad though.
- Blunt the Assault is a heavy costed fog effect. If life gaining is that important, running Shamanic Revelation is better. If the fog is really needed then just run Fog or Lull or Respite or Winds of Qal Sisma.
- Devil's Play is a very flavourful card and I do like it, but I think it's a bit small for commander. Fall of the Titans or even better Comet Storm do a much better job at finishing people.
- Scrabbling Claws is not good enough for graveyard hate. There exist much better alternatives (i.e. Relic of Progenitus)!
And here are my suggestions for you, including some notable omissions. Some have already been mentioned by others.
- Acidic Slime
- Mold Shambler
- Reclamation Sage!
- Sakura-Tribe Elder!
- Wood Elves!
- Farhaven Elf!
- Woodfall Primus!
- Chaos Warp!
- Krosan Grip!
- Ancient Grudge
- Comet Storm
- Hull Breach
- Skyshroud Claim!
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Beast Within!
- Xenagos, God of Revels
I would choose a number of these as replacements prefering their versatility, efficiency and power.
Those are my thoughts. :)
ps: since tappedout doesn't let me mark my most suggestions through the checkboxes for some reason, i'll put an exclamation mark next to them...
1 week ago
Thank you shagg! I hadn't thought about either of those two. I'll probably swap out Hedron archive for some of the magnifying glass's when the battle for zendikar/ootg rotate out of standard. Corrupted Grafstone is a great addition, one mana cheaper, although I kind of have to wait till I get into the draw/cast turn so that I have some blue cards in my graveyard. Also, I like to have more of an option in case I need to cast Fall of the Titans. Granted, that won't be until a lot later in the game so I will probably have drawn Prophetic Prism to convert it into red mana. Thanks though!
2 weeks ago
Zman995 Only reason I don't want to drop Fall of the Titans is for late game burn. With the surge cost and 7 mana I can burn 2 creatures and the player all for 6 damage. I think I may just go 2 and 2 with Hungry Flames and Fiery Temper though.
2 weeks ago
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2 weeks ago
With Fall of the Titans, you can only deal X damage to any one target. You cannot choose the same target twice.
Rule: 114.3. The same target cant be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word target on a spell or ability. If the spell or ability uses the word target in multiple places, the same object, player, or zone can be chosen once for each instance of the word target (as long as it fits the targeting criteria). This rule applies both when choosing targets for a spell or ability and when changing targets or choosing new targets for a spell or ability (see rule 114.6).
In another instance, you also can't do X damage to target player and X damage to that player's Planeswalker, as this would effectively be targeting the player twice.
See this rule: A player who chooses a planeswalker as the target of a spell or ability that would deal damage is assumed to be targeting the planeswalkers controller and redirecting the damage on resolution. The player must adhere to that choice unless an opponent responds.
2 weeks ago
An edit to the beginning my previous comment, Fall of the Titans cannot do Double to your opponent. Because the text says "up to two," you can't target the same player twice.
Thanks to the.beanpole for point out this mistake to me on another thread.
2 weeks ago
@the.beanpole Derp. I actually knew that, but forgot it.
When I was playing at the OGW PreRelease (was still kinda new to some finer points of the rules), I played it just like I suggested. No one corrected me I guess because other people just didn't catch it. I actually made it to 2nd Place with my partner with just Fall of the Titans.
It wasn't until Draft when I was talking about how awesome the card was that someone corrected me. It's been so long, I had completely forgotten it said "up to two"
I sincerely apologize for my mistake.