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Seer's Lantern Discussion
3 days ago
There are so many mana rocks that are better than
that not one single copy should ever get used regardless of budget. The most obvious replacement is
which is the most played card in EDH but the signets and talismans were already mentioned, the diamond cycle, ie:
Sphere of the Suns
are better by virtue of being only 2 CMC to cast.
At 3 CMC you have: Mana Geode [scrys], Commander's Sphere [draws card], Pristine Talisman [gains life], Heraldic Banner [anthem], Spinning Wheel [taps creature], Vessel of Endless Rest [reclaims card for yourself or buries a card an opponent is recurring from their graveyard back into their library], Crystal Ball [scrys], guild Keyrune and Cluestone cycles [animate or card draw], Darksteel Ingot [at least it is indestructible], Seer's Lantern [inferior version of the Crystal Ball], not to mention much better ones like Chromatic Lantern , Worn Powerstone or Coalition Relic .
4 weeks ago
Go ahead and add:
- Arcane Signet
- Darksteel Pendant
- Commander's Sphere
- Darksteel Ingot
- Fellwar Stone
- Fountain of Ichor
- Gold Myr
- Guardian Idol
- Mind Stone
- Pristine Talisman
- Seer's Lantern
- Sisay's Ring
- Ur-Golem's Eye
- Angelic Purge
- Forsake the Worldly
- Frantic Salvage
- Rusted Relic
- Oblivion Ring
- Journey to Nowhere
- Bladed Pinions
- Whispersilk Cloak
- Desert of the True
- Drifting Meadow
- Secluded Steppe
- Inspiring Roar
- Silverflame Ritual
To make room for this (and some bad picks that should come out) remove:
1 month ago
YOOOO!!!!! It's your local Azusa player possibly recommending a card I don't play myself despite the severe irony, High Market - It helps prevent your commander from getting stolen, life gain is nice amoung the other benefits that a sac outlet provides that my highasss can't remember.
Cut Darksteel Citadel for Deserted Temple - Untap opponents lands for politics, your urza lands, seagate, blastzone (you need removal) and arch. Yes, all very expensive, but sadly your deck needs it. At least any other land than citadel. Stop having Azusa Strip Mine Flash Backs
Cut God-Pharaoh's Statue for Sisay's Ring - By the time you get 6 mana, even with all the rocks, its not worth it. Life loss neglible and tax is as well. If you really wanted to tax the greedy green fucking azusa bitch, you should run winter orb. I know you don't wanna make it a stax deck, but unless you get a crazy start, you need something that can help you later down the line.
Cut titan's presence for Seer's Lantern - Uneeded, hard to use redundancy. Ramp and virtual card advantage is better.
2 months ago
Wow LurkerInTheBush, I hadn't realized you asked this question so long ago. I meant to reply sooner, but life got in the way. First, I'm glad you like the deck! Aside from the obvious change of the Cluestones to the Signets, I think card draw is the deck's weakest point by far. I prefer reusable effects, so cards like Darksteel Pendant and Seer's Lantern are good choices here for filtering away bad draws.
Ramping for mana other than green is a good choice too. Avacyn's Pilgrim will most likely replace Llanowar Elves for another way to get Woolly Thoctar out on turn 2. Tinder Wall and Orcish Lumberjack are also up for consideration here.
2 months ago
Some more mana rocks can help get your general out a turn earlier. Commander's Sphere , Worn Powerstone , Fellwar Stone , Myriad Landscape , Darksteel Ingot , Bontu's Monument , Sol Ring , Mana Geode , Seer's Lantern , Orazca Relic , Magnifying Glass , and Skull of Ramos are decent options. Also you might like Wall of Blood . My friend plays it in his Gisa and it is explosive. Pay 20 life into it, sac it for zombies, and watch heads roll! Coat of Arms is great too if your budget allows.
2 months ago
also some of you're mana rocks have negative effects or have a cost every upkeep and that can possibly slow your deck down, edh is a lot about politics and late game, but also about getting ahead early game Grim Monolith , Mana Crypt , and Mana Vault are both giving a negative effect and cost a good bit of money, cards like Thought Vessel , Seer's Lantern , and Ur-Golem's Eye benefit you with mana and some even give an extra abiliy for less money
3 months ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but Timesifter happens to be one of the dumbest cards to run in colorless EDH. Most other decks are going to be doing their best to keep their curves reasonable, but since you have just buckets of colorless mana-producers your curve is going to run very high. If you run Sensei's Divining Top too, you can probably take around 80 percent of the extra turns.
Sculpting Steel is an excellent way to copy whatever your biggest mana-producer is.
I've never liked the tron lands in EDH. My reasoning is mainly that the reward is too difficult to obtain in a singleton, ninety-nine card deck, and that running more non-basics leaves you more open to attack from Back to Basics , Ruination and Wasteland . Many colorless decks already run a lot of non-basics, but you don't want to run more than you have to. I also think you're running a few too many lands, since you're also (ideally) going to be getting a lot of mana from your rocks. I think you should just do a straight trade of the tron lands for other accelerants.
There're also a few other colorless lands to consider. Cryptic Caves , I think, is better than Seraph Sanctuary ; typically you'd only gain one-ish life off the latter, and the ability to cycle Cryptic Caves late game can be very relevant. Ancient Tomb is a BOMB in most decks, especially colorless ones; if you have the ability to acquire it, run it. Thespian's Stage or Vesuva can copy a good land you want more of; Thespian's Stage is especially funny if you run Dark Depths , which also happens to interact favorably with your Mirage Mirror . Also Blast Zone . And Scorched Ruins .
In general, you want to run more two-mana rocks and fewer three-mana rocks. I don't like Pristine Talisman , Seer's Lantern , etc. simply because if you ran two-mana rocks instead, you could land the rock turn two, untap, play a land, and then land a four-mana spell like Thran Dynamo or Hedron Archive . There're enough two-mana rocks you can run in a colorless deck that I think you may find yourself playing a turn behind where you could be, unnecessarily. Some examples: Thought Vessel , Coldsteel Heart , Everflowing Chalice , Fellwar Stone , Grim Monolith (if you're rich) and Hedron Crawler ... I think replacing the aforementioned and other three-mana rocks with some of these is definitely worth trying. If you wanted, Metalworker is probably the best three-mana dork-rock ever made, though he is around $50 these days.
Tamiyo's Journal and Oracle's Vault are good ways to generate card-advantage in colorless decks. Same goes for Staff of Nin , Mind's Eye (which goes well with Victory Chimes , if you want to leave that in) and Karn, Scion of Urza .
My last suggestion's relevance will depend largely upon your moral compass. I have no issue being a grade-A douche in games, since they're just games, and a good person in important matters; you might feel otherwise. Stax, if you're like me, is the way to go with colorless decks that makes them way better, mainly because you have so much more mana than anyone else at the table can make. Consider some or all of the following: Lodestone Golem , Trinisphere , Thorn of Amethyst , Sphere of Resistance , Chalice of the Void (to be cast on X = 1), Winter Orb (especially good with your rocks and if you run something like Clock of Omens ... Relic of Progenitus is good against a lot of decks, and can cycle for a card when it isn't. Grafdigger's Cage is similar. Finally, you may have luck with Tangle Wire , although that can isn't at its best in the modern day.
Right. Good luck!
4 months ago
Not sure I understand the inclusion of Worn Powerstone over Sol Ring unless its just a placeholder until you get another copy. For scrying power Crystal Ball is strictly superior to Seer's Lantern , [though I would add the Crystal Ball to replace the Manalith as pretty much any mana rock is better here]. My understanding is that despite the low CMC of the deck, Feather is actually fairly mana hungry so perhaps more artifact ramp may be in order to get the engines going sooner.
While I haven't played with or against Feather yet, I watched a few videos and Feather dies a lot even with the instant speed protections so my feeling is you'll really miss not having Swiftfoot Boots , Darksteel Plate , etc. to free up your mana to just buff and draw cards.
Seer's Lantern occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%