Hidden Herbalists

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Frontier Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Standard Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Casual Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Aether Revolt (AER) Uncommon

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Hidden Herbalists

Creature — Human Druid

Revolt — When Hidden Herbalists enters the battlefield, if a permanent you controlled left the battlefield this turn, add to your mana pool.

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Hidden Herbalists Discussion

sylvannos on Please help with my high-speed ...

2 weeks ago

@Papo: The standard deck list is something like:

4x Wooded Foothills
2-4x Arid Mesa
2-4x Windswept Heath (bringing your total fetchland count to 10)
0-2x Copperline Gorge
1x Temple Garden
1x Sacred Foundry
2x Stomping Ground
1x Forest
1x Mountain
1x Plains
0-1x Kessig Wolf Run
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18-19 Lands

4x Burning-Tree Emissary
4x Experiment One
0-4x Flinthoof Boar
1-4x Ghor-Clan Rampager
4x Goblin Guide
4x Hidden Herbalists
4x Narnam Renegade
4x Reckless Bushwhacker
4x Wild Nacatl
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30-32 Creatures

4x Atarka's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
0-4x Manamorphose
0-4x Mutagenic Growth
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8 to 12 Instants (depends on land count)

So the main things you have to determine are the number of Ghor-Clan Rampagers, the number of Flinthoof Boars, how many lands do you want, and whether or not you need Manamorphose/Mutagenic Growth.

For right now, I'd suggest trying the deck without Kird Ape or Wild Nacatl and dropping down to 18 lands. That should give you enough slots to fit everything in, playing a total of 32 creatures, 18 lands, and 10 other spells. When you get the budget, add in the full set of fetchlands, Wild Nacatl, and cut Manamorphose.

While playing straight Gruul on a budget, your lands will look something like:

4x Stomping Ground
4x Wooded Foothills
1x Kessig Wolf Run
6x Forest
3x Mountain

The Forests and Mountains can be swapped out for fetchlands as you acquire them.

sylvannos on Please help with my high-speed ...

2 weeks ago

You really want more 4-ofs. There's almost never a situation where you don't want Hidden Herbalists off of a turn 1 Experiment One.

Do you have a budget to get fetchlands? Wild Nacatl is really good in this deck, even if you're not playing any white cards. They trigger your Experiment Ones more consistently and create a faster clock. The only thing you need is around 8 fetchlands, a single Temple Garden, and a single Sacred Foundry.

I've found Goblin Bushwhacker to be kind of "meh" in this deck because it can be difficult to get the if you don't have a Manamorphose. Flinthoof Boar can be cast off of Burning-Tree Emissary and Hidden Herbalists, so I'd suggest that as the replacement.

I second Ghor-Clan Rampager. It's an uncounterable 4 damage. It evolves Experiment One. And sometimes, you just want a 4/4.

I disagree with Vexing Devil. You don't have the slots. You're also a deck that can't really do much past turn 4 if you haven't won the game. Giving your opponent choices with Vexing Devil means they can pace their resources to prolong the game.

Lastly, the sideboard: Affinity is your worst matchup, by far. 4 Destructive Revelry is mandatory. You may even want to add in some Ancient Grudges (depending on your meta). These also do double duty against Tron and Infect (hits Inkmoth Nexus), your other terrible matchups. The rest of your sideboard can be land destruction, Blood Moons, uncounterable bullshit/control hate, and Scavenging Oozes. If you have the white for Wild Nacatl, Condemn, Stony Silence, and Path to Exile are also options.

Xica on Gruul Zoo

2 weeks ago

If you run both Hidden Herbalists & Burning-Tree Emissary, then why not run Myr Superion?

rothgar13 on Gruul Zoo

2 weeks ago

I think you're off to a decent start, but Lava Spike is rather poor when the rest of your deck wants you to be spamming out creatures. I like Manamorphose because of its synergy with Hidden Herbalists and Reckless Bushwhacker, and you may want to look at Narnam Renegade as another 1-drop.

MerxRherm on Green Blue Clues

4 weeks ago

Thanks for the comment, I didn't realise about Counterspell not being legal, so thanks there. I will probably sub out Altar of the Brood but Wingcrafter is staying until I figure out a better way to give Chasm Skulker flying. Birds of Paradise was a stupid thing to miss, and they would make good replacements for Hidden Herbalists, which often miss their revolt trigger if I play them on curve. So I'll definitely make those changes.

Thanks for the comment, this is definitely a casual deck but iI'm always looking to make it better.

P.S: I hadn't thought of that flavour win before, will definitely go for it now, even if it is 4 times a turn

Comicalflop on [[Primer]] Seton, Druid Goodness AER Update!

1 month ago

This is a pretty solid list, but can be optimized even further!

Avoid Fate should be Vines of Vastwood since it can also counter sorceries, and most importantly it counters beneficial cards that target your opponents' creatures.

Since your plan is to win so early, you'll probably get more mileage out of Burgeoning than Exploration. Turn 1 Burgeoning is 6 chances to slap a land into play by turn 3.

Awakener Druid, Greenweaver Druid, Kaysa, Ley Druid, Mul Daya Channelers, Oracle of Mul Daya, and Paragon of Eternal Wilds are all too expensive for what they do (the mana dorks cost too much to cast and don't generate alot of mana, the pumpers all pump by miniscule amounts compared to Craterhoof and Beastmaster Ascension). I would cut them all for 1 mana druids (even if they have useless abilities.) Every 1 mana Druid is a haste Llanowar Elves, you should be running every single one possible since you want to win so fast. If you reduce the CMC further, you can run Collected Company.

The rule of thumb should be: #1: Run every 1 single mana druid. Thisin creases the variance on the number of "haste Llanowar Elves" you have and helps smooth out combo turns. #2: Run some 2 mana druids if they are amazing or generate more mana than a 1 mana druid would (like Hidden Herbalists, Devoted Druid, or Priest of Titania). #3: Only run 3 mana druids if they are insanely good (Elvish Archdruid, Elvish Harbinger).

You have 9 cards that benefit from recasting elves, so Wirewood Symbiote is a must. Symbiote + Reclamation Sage makes people cry.

You should be running Cloudstone Curio since there are almost as many if not more combos than Paradox Engine involving Curio loops. Glimpse of Nature plus two 1-mana druids = draw your entire deck. Throw in Hidden Herbalists as one of the druids in the Curio loop for infinite mana.

Elvish Spirit Guide should be another super fast mana accelerant.

Skullclamp and Birthing Pod are also musts.

Winter Orb, Tangle Wire and Root Maze are nice Stax options since you can play very nicely around them. You break parity by relying on creatures for mana, so you can afford to run land-lock cards.

You have 7 ways to tutor for Craterhoof Behemoth and lots of ways to draw large amounts of cards, so I would cut Overrun, Overwhelming Stampede and Triumph of the Hordes to make room for more slots since you're almost guaranteed to play Craterhoof every game. Reducing some instants/sorceries would start to put you in the range of running Primal Surge.

Final suggestions: Benefactor's Draught, Summoner's Pact, Survival of the Fittest, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Mana Reflection, Harvest Season, Collective Unconscious, Harmonize, Lead the Stampede, Wildest Dreams, Praetor's Counsel, Duskwatch Recruiter  Flip

square711 on Uh, are you sure that's a 5 and not a 2...?

1 month ago

SSJ_Weegee: great suggestion! I was using Generator Servant as copies 5-8 of Burning-Tree Emissary, but I was less than satisfied with it for a variety of reasons. Hidden Herbalists is just what I needed to replace it!

SSJ_Weegee on Uh, are you sure that's a 5 and not a 2...?

1 month ago

Hidden Herbalists could slot in as additional copies of Burning-Tree Emissary. It works great with fetch lands.

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