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Creature — Human Druid
: Untap target land.
Ley Druid Discussion
11 months ago
Tested Marwyn over Mana Reflection, here are my thoughts:
So, Marwyn, the Nurturer isn't bad... but it isn't exactly breathtaking either. Its biggest problem is that it's excellent on exactly turn 2 if you had the T1 accelerant, and it's absolutely awful off the top of the deck. All the mana dorks that cost more than 1 (Devoted Druid, Priest of Titania, Voyaging Satyr, Wall of Roots, Wood Elves, and Elvish Archdruid) are fantastic. In fact, given that Wall of Roots and Wood Elves cost virtually 1 and 2 mana respectively, Archdruid is currently the only 3-drop mana dork in the whole deck. And Archdruid is almost strictly better than Marwyn; the +1/+1 is largely irrelevant (sometimes improves cycling efficiency with Greater Good, sometimes turns off your own Skullclamp), but Archdruid will always make at least as much mana as Marwyn under most normal circumstances (as Marwyn under normal circumstances will only make mana equal to the number of other dorks that came in after her). The synergy with Craterhoof is also cute... until you realize the circumstances that she both doesn't have summoning sickness and didn't have to fund Craterhoof's mana cost are extremely minimal. Unlike Devoted Druid, she both doesn't untap after tapping to pay for Craterhoof, and she can't abuse Earthcraft to get around summoning sickness like the Druid can. She also has absolute 0 synergy with Sabertooth. She doesn't go off with either Sabertooth+Craterhoof (because she can't untap herself like Druid) or Sabertooth+Crossroads (because she goes back to 1/1 status after bouncing herself). If you have Sabertooth+Crossroads+Craterhoof she can go off if you control at least 16 creatures (spending 5 to bounce/recast her 10 to bounce/recast hoof), but Druid also goes off with far less work.
The games you get her out exactly turn 2, she'll be just as good as Archdruid is all the time, but elsewise leaves much to be desired. I don't think she's necessarily better than either Ley Druid or Fyndhorn Elder, which is a big problem since they don't make the cut in this deck either.
Mana Reflection on the other hand has been one of those "You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone" situations. Reflection can't be tutored for and it is expensive, but its effect is absolutely massive. Any effect that creates multiple mana goes off with it in a massive way. It's very hard to lose with it after you untap with it, and the instantaneous value it provides is also high. I think the effect is actually comparable to Greater Good, in that it's a card that turbocharges the deck with very minimal extra conditions.
I think if you wanted Marwyn, the Nurturer to find a slot in this deck, it'd be over:
-One of the 28 lands that always produce green mana and don't have summoning sickness (warning: this number is low)
-Maze of Ith, which doesn't produce mana but is far more powerful at protecting Freya
-Scavenger Grounds, losing utility and cutting non-Arbor mana-producing lands down to 32 from 33.
-Eye of Ugin, losing long-game utility with one of your many land tutors (not recommended)
-Ramunap Excavator, losing long-game utility (but both are 3-drop creatures)
-Dosan, losing your ability to interact with control decks
Honestly, my biggest problem is that the circumstances for this card are low; she's good in your opening hand, yes; but is she that much better than any other half-a-dozen broken openers? What about every other point of the game? Is she really that much better than Ley Druid anyway (Ley Druid+Cradle or Nykthos is absurd)? Is she even better than Elvish Guidance (doesn't count itself or count towards creatures, but has a more powerful and instantaneous effect)?
The fact that she's 3-mana does mean she's curvable, unlike Karametra's Acolyte or Argothian Elder (which we'd run if they curved Freyalise), but until then I have problems finding this card making the cut. Let me know your thoughts, and if you have any ideas of how she'd fit in!
Thanks again for all the suggestions; even if Marwyn didn't end up making the cut at first, it was a lot of fun testing her out!
1 year ago
1 year ago
1 year ago
This is a pretty solid list, but can be optimized even further!
Awakener Druid, Greenweaver Druid, Kaysa, Ley Druid, Mul Daya Channelers, Oracle of Mul Daya, and Paragon of Eternal Wilds are all too expensive for what they do (the mana dorks cost too much to cast and don't generate alot of mana, the pumpers all pump by miniscule amounts compared to Craterhoof and Beastmaster Ascension). I would cut them all for 1 mana druids (even if they have useless abilities.) Every 1 mana Druid is a haste Llanowar Elves, you should be running every single one possible since you want to win so fast. If you reduce the CMC further, you can run Collected Company.
The rule of thumb should be: #1: Run every 1 single mana druid. Thisin creases the variance on the number of "haste Llanowar Elves" you have and helps smooth out combo turns. #2: Run some 2 mana druids if they are amazing or generate more mana than a 1 mana druid would (like Hidden Herbalists, Devoted Druid, or Priest of Titania). #3: Only run 3 mana druids if they are insanely good (Elvish Archdruid, Elvish Harbinger).
You have 9 cards that benefit from recasting elves, so Wirewood Symbiote is a must. Symbiote + Reclamation Sage makes people cry.
You should be running Cloudstone Curio since there are almost as many if not more combos than Paradox Engine involving Curio loops. Glimpse of Nature plus two 1-mana druids = draw your entire deck. Throw in Hidden Herbalists as one of the druids in the Curio loop for infinite mana.
Elvish Spirit Guide should be another super fast mana accelerant.
You have 7 ways to tutor for Craterhoof Behemoth and lots of ways to draw large amounts of cards, so I would cut Overrun, Overwhelming Stampede and Triumph of the Hordes to make room for more slots since you're almost guaranteed to play Craterhoof every game. Reducing some instants/sorceries would start to put you in the range of running Primal Surge.
Final suggestions: Benefactor's Draught, Summoner's Pact, Survival of the Fittest, Creeping Renaissance, Seasons Past, Mana Reflection, Harvest Season, Collective Unconscious, Harmonize, Lead the Stampede, Wildest Dreams, Praetor's Counsel, Duskwatch Recruiter Flip
2 years ago
ErebusX how would that help? Arbor Elf and Voyaging Satyr are the best land untappers in the deck, I would only be able to run one Descendants' Path and it would have to be on a Ley Druid and Gigantomancer would have to be on top of my library.
2 years ago
2 years ago
Lotus Cobra, Sylvan Caryatid, Knight of the Reliquary, Weathered Wayfarer, the aforementioned Birds of Paradise, Avacyn's Pilgrim, and Arbor Elf are great ramp in your colors. Magus of the Candelabra, Argothian Elder, Ley Druid, and Voyaging Satyr are great if you play Gaea's Cradle, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, and Mirari's Wake type effects.
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