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Gaea's Herald Discussion
2 days ago
@JMCraig Have you had a chance to test out Rhythm of the Wild in Animar? I have my reservations regarding the card, but there are people in the Discord that have been giving it good reviews, particularly because it gives mana dorks haste.
As I see it, the major cons of the card are that A) As an enchantment the deck has no way to tutor for it. B) At 3-CMC it wants to be played on turn 2, the same as Animar. And C) It benefits Animar if cast first, but if cast after Animar its play value for its cost goes down significantly.
That being said, if you cast Rhythm on turn 2, then Animar turn 3, there is still a chance of comboing off turn 4 if you have a few mana dorks in hand. Cards like Llanowar Elves are basically free spells if they get haste. And honestly, in a counterspell heavy meta it may be worth waiting until turn 3 to cast Animar if it also gets to be uncounterable.
I think some people have been playing it in Gaea's Herald 's slot, and it is nice that Rhythm only makes your creatures uncounterable, but I wonder if that is better than having the Herald as a possible target with Weird Harvest to help protect the other cards you tutor for? The one green mana in the Herald's cost is much easier to accommodate than the two green mana for Prowling Serpopard .
I keep mentally comparing the Rhythm to Cloudstone Curio . It is at least possible to tutor for the Curio with tutor cards like Fabricate , and even then it's a card that doesn't show up often. Is it worth giving a 3-CMC non-creature card a slot in the deck if you are only ever going to see it if you draw into it, as opposed to a creature that can be a viable tutor target?
2 weeks ago
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor: Thank you very much good sir, I appreciate the kind words!! Hopefully one day you join the dark side and embrace combos. :)
Winding Canyons : The deck is actually not starved of this ability. In fact, if you think about it, Command Beacon being on the chopping block is a really good indicator of it. The reason why is because getting rid of Yeva is never a factor because I always unload my hand in response to that removal and she is never out unless I have stuff worthy of being played. That land might be going out for Sunscorched Desert as a Plan D wincon since I don't need Shaman of Forgotten Ways to have haste for me to win at instant speed.
Polukranos, World Eater : My heart breaks. He was in the earlier iterations of the deck as a finisher with Kamahl, Fist of Krosa , unfortunatedly Somberwald Stag eliminated the need for both and it still kills Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir and Linvala, Keeper of Silence (which Polukranos, can't). Meanwhile, I already have Lignify , Song of the Dryads , and Beast Within to deal with them. Torpor Orb has no longer posed as much of a threat with the current state of the deck tbh.
Gaea's Herald : I truly wish I could replace the cat for herald, but as it stands, I play against 3 blue players and it sucks to see a secondary counter which happens quite often actually. Prowling Serpopard is definite security against that.
Once again, thank you very much and for the upvote!
DiverDown: Honestly, I was completely out of my element regarding an approachable budget list, cause I didn't know what that was exactly. Abzkaban was kind enough to point me in a good direction and I personally didn't know whether $200 was too much or not. I'm glad of the amount of people that came out of the woodworks to defend the $200 price tag. Made me feel like I hit the right number at $2 a card. I would love to see the lists you're referring to, btw! To return the favor and I am always down to see a new list. :D
I'm glad you enjoyed both variants of the deck, I worked obsessively long on it, that it is just a delight to read all the positive comments.
Thank you all!! :D
3 weeks ago
First of all, very cool list and nice write up! I am not the best at giving advice on highly tuned decks because I am a filthy casual and generally avoid the combo style of play, but here are some thoughts I had:
Winding Canyons might be a decent replacement for Command Beacon if you end up cutting it. It still provides you with the necessary colorless mana, but it can serve as an additional flash enabler that is harder to deal with than Yeva.
I always advocate for Krosan Grip . Maybe it is too slow (mana wise) for more competitive metas, or maybe I have just been blown out by Food Chain too many times, but split-second seems very relevant in higher powered metas.
Polukranos, World Eater is a bigger, beefier fighter than Somberwald Stag that gets around ETB cancelers like Torpor Orb and flash cancelers like Teferi. Not saying that you replace the Stag, but running them both together might be helpful.
+1 from me.
1 month ago
Whenever you have the time, I am interested in hearing your current perspective on some of the cards run in this build.
3) The re-inclusion of Slithermuse .
4) Gaea's Herald and the risk it poses of allowing opponents to get their own combo creatures past counterspells.
5) And the general level of risk that you think is involved in casting Weird Harvest .
I'm still of the opinion that Loyal Drake's card draw is rather slow. Wouldn't it be better to run Trinket Mage in that slot, since it can tutor for Skullclamp , Walking Ballista , or Lotus Petal to basically make itself a "free" spell that turn?
1 month ago
Guerte- I suppose that it's generally better than Leyline of Lifeforce while being more resilient than Prowling Serpopard or Gaea's Herald. I'm just not sure how impactful it would be in most games if you can't take full advantage of the card. It seems very meta-dependant, so if you deal with lots of control decks I'm sure it would help in those cases.
4 months ago
I hear ya; Animar can be tough to hit and actually stick to the 'field. When I first built it I was ruined by mass creature destruction again and again (Day of Judgment, etc), Counterspells are always a problem, and red/blue have enough burn/bounce/steal to ruin your day
Here's a pile of ideas. Venser, Shaper Savant, Mystic Snake, Draining Whelk, Heroic Intervention, Elgaud Shieldmate, Archetype of Endurance, Asceticism, Glen Elendra Archmage, Stratus Dancer, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, Cavern of Souls, Gaea's Herald, Prowling Serpopard, Tajuru Preserver, Soul of New Phyrexia, Temur Sabertooth, Deadeye Navigator, Cyclonic Rift, and of course your own Counterspell package ;D
4 months ago
I agree that Prowling Serpopard should go in but there might be an argument for Gaea's Herald over Vexing Shusher. Since Animar doesn't run many counterspells, you could look at Dosan the Falling Leaf as a way to stop both counters and removal spells on the turn you want to combo off. If you are willing to look at non-creature inclusions, Autumn's Veil is another option.
I would also suggest considering Scryb Ranger. It's ability can untap Kiki if the opponents tries to stop you from comboing with removal, which would allow you to keep the combo going. It can help with mana ramping by untapping mana dorks or just returning a Tropical Island or Taiga to be replayed if you don't have another land to drop that turn. Its Protection from Blue also makes it a surprisingly viable blocker against a lot of the more aggressive commanders.
Because your life total is only 20 in Duel Commander, red decks are a lot more viable. Lightning Bolt sees a lot of play, as do other burn spells, which means that there are a lot more removal options floating around that can hit Animar. Lots of decks also run a Vintage format style package of blue and black counters and removal. Animar itself doesn't need to worry about the black spot removal but it does have to look out for the higher percentage of blue bounce spells. All of this makes Animar more fragile than it is in cEDH, so you will have to both play the deck more carefully and possibly shave some of the cards that are in for consistency out for a slightly higher concentration of cards that can function as stand-alone threats.
Animar decks used to see around a 1% meta play-rate at duel commander tournaments but was still powerful enough that for a while it was on their watch-list as a potential commander that needed to be banned. Now it looks like it sees less play than that, which is likely due to the life total being dropped from 30 to 20 and making red more viable in the format.
5 months ago
Gaea's Herald I think should stay in. Compared to Prowling Serpopard, it's 2 cmc, which means its a turn 2 drop along with Rhys. I can also tutor for it a lot easier with Birthing Pod than compared to Prowling, as I only have 3 other creatures with 2 cmc. It's also revived by Elvish Soultiller.
You're right about Gaea's Revenge. It's an 8/5 for 7, but if I could play that, I'd much rather play Omnath for 5/5 to make it 12/12 (or more) the next turn. Or just play Protean Hulk. There's not much value there.
I feel the same about Avenger of Zendikar, though if I play him when I'm losing and don't have many counters out, I'd probably win.
Autumn's Veil should probably be kept. Some guys in my playgroup are running Esper...
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