MagicalHacker - Deckspert
I was needing direction because my concern is that I will run out of steam. The assumption is commander damage wins are the goal, so spam tokens (alternate win con with enough of them,) or guys that come with a token (Attended Knight seems to fit your criteria too) and hope he flips.
Stage two) find a way to make sure he gets through. Auras will fall off, and equip costs get pricy when you have to pay them every turn. So...anthems?
April 13, 2017 9:04 p.m.
MindAblaze, absolutely! Do you already have a gameplan in mind, or would you like suggestions for a deck direction from me?
Because either way, I'm assuming that the idea is to flip Kytheon as soon as possible (turn 3-4) and then spam board wipes after activating his 0 or +1 to protect him or other creatures.
If that's the case, you want two other creatures by turn 3-4 to attack with so that he flips. Those creatures will probably die (this is commander, after all), but a worthy sacrifice to get a flipped Kytheon, I think. Activate his +2, and I think 5 loyalty is a good place to be for turn 3-4.
Those two creatures can be two tokens made via a 2-3 drop (4+ drops are too slow!), and I have put them here for your convenience:
- Alliance of Arms
- Secure the Wastes
- Gather the Townsfolk
- Raise the Alarm
- Servo Exhibition
- Vessel of Ephemera
- Even the Odds
- Hive Stirrings
- Master's Call
- Midnight Haunting
- Oath of Gideon
- Timely Reinforcements
- Spectral Procession
Fourteen is what we need, and fourteen is what we can get.
April 13, 2017 8:44 p.m.
April 13, 2017 5:19 p.m.
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shinobigarth, Elspeth will probably be the first zombie planeswalker.
Why don't we have a giant planeswalker?
April 22, 2017 3:14 p.m.
I absolutely agree! I should probably include Kira, Great Glass-Spinner too, right?
April 22, 2017 10:08 a.m.
Oops! I came here looking for a commander to use the Rishadan Cutpurse vertical cycle to punish those on mtgo who tap out out of laziness (will be using Momir Vig, Simic Visionary), and I realized I never posted my lantern control deck I built: Lantern Control in Commander?
April 21, 2017 9:55 a.m.
Okay, but any cards that I missed on any of the lists? I think i might have forgotten Hapatra on pillow fort.
April 21, 2017 9:12 a.m.
I think it's by helping any Commander player with deckbuilding by building resources like MagicalHacker - List of All Draw Cards (Steady) and decks to explore underplayed themes like Get a Clue! (Or Maybe Nine), and by theory crafting one on one with players to help them find cards and build a sweet deck like I did for Lantern Control in Commander?.
So basically, I am the helpful one. Oh and also, I might be known for always challenging others to design or build crazy cards/decks, like in Let's build some more tribal decks!.
April 21, 2017 9:11 a.m.
Idk how, but I lost a huuuge paragraph of text. And I don't feel like retyping it all out.
Here is the run down:
- All hatebear commander decks I found featured a much larger amount of tutors to be able to avoid having dead cards and getting relevant cards, so Toolbox/Tutors was renamed to Toolbox/Hatebears
- Devotion falls into the same category as Energy decks, Vehicle Decks, Investigate decks, Madness decks, etc., where the deck is trying to attain value by synergizing with a particular gimmick, so Gimmick/Goodstuff was split into Gimmick/Synergy and Goodstuff
- Group Hug/Forcefeed was renamed to Group Hug/Donate/Forcefeed
- Sacrifice Control and Destroy/Exile Control were merged together while adding Board Wipe Control to make Nonland Removal Control
- Burn looks like it's just Group Slug, so no change here
- Hive Mind made a new category named Alternate Win Conditions
- Group Slug/Chaos split into Group Slug and Chaos
- Ramp into/Cheat Fatties was renamed to Battlecruiser/Show and Tell
One important thing that I can never tire of writing though: Thank you very much to all who have commented with feedback!
April 21, 2017 1:07 a.m.
Hmm, well most of the time, putting a card into a player's graveyard won't be giving that player a huge advantage unless they have some interaction with cards in graveyards, which happens more rarely than you would think. How many people play Rest in Peace? Most people don't play it cause it doesn't do enough in most situations.
April 21, 2017 12:21 a.m.
Would hatebears be a type of toolbox deck, or is it a different type of deck altogether?
April 20, 2017 7:01 p.m.
Hey Steelspike, was that meant for another forum?
April 20, 2017 6:59 p.m.
All those seem like great ideas! Thanks!
April 20, 2017 6:58 p.m.
Duuuuude! Five color control sounds super control sounds hella neat! While it wouldn't be necessary, I think opting to not include cards that have more colored pips than generic mana in the cost to decrease the likelihood of getting color screwed would make for quite a fun deck! If it were me, I'd make my commander my only win con, so I'd probably pick Progenitus for showy factor, but there are arguments to be made for Sliver Hivelord who will always survive your board wipes, Child of Alara who's a 6/6 trampler with a control ability, Cromat even though he sucks up valuable mana that could be used for control instants, Sliver Queen who is a 7/7 that can make more board presence, Sliver Overlord who can steal creatures once you use him to search up Amoeboid Changeling, or Horde of Notions who's a 5/5 with keywords.
April 20, 2017 6:25 p.m.
I named it "Fatties Reanimation" to distinguish it from that archetype. Is that the right way to distinguish between those two?
April 20, 2017 5:35 p.m.
To have chump blockers against fast aggro decks and distractions against astute opponents. Being able to play them starting turn 3 while not being able to cascade into them is what makes them so valuable.
April 20, 2017 5:30 p.m.
April 20, 2017 3:16 p.m.
I am compiling a list of archetypes for Commander (don't ask why...), and I want to make sure I didn't miss any after both looking online to what people have said and what I can think of that they missed. Do you know of any that I have missed?
+1/+1 Counter Shenanigans
-1/-1 Counter Shenanigans
Aikido/Copy & Steal
Alternate Win Condition
Battlecruiser/Show and Tell
Draw Go Control
Infinite Mana Dump
Mana Denial (Stax/MLD)
Nonland Removal Control
Tap & Untap Shenanigans
Thanks in advance!
April 20, 2017 3:12 p.m.
A new set has come, and that means that it's time to update my commander staple lists, but am I still missing anything?
More coming soon! Please give me suggestions on what list to make next :)
Thanks in advance everyone!
April 20, 2017 1:43 p.m.
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