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Savai Triome Discussion
1 month ago
I've been playing a Grief 8-rack build for some time and I have some comments on your build that I hope you find helpful.
For one thing, Feign Death is strictly worse than Undying Evil, except with multiple copies on the same creature. More about the creature/flicker package: If you flicker a Kroxa with Ephemerate the rebound is wasted since it still dies either way. And you don't have a further target if you topdeck another flicker spell/undeath spell later. Also, you have to wait until t3 to get any value from the flickering. This is why I suggest running a creature like Burglar Rat or Elderfang Disciple instead. Also, you have 10 flicker cards but only 8 creature targets. While the flicker cards are dead cards by themselves, the creatures aren't, which is why I advise going down on the flicker cards and going up on the creatures.
For the discard suite, you currently have 12 targeted hand disruption spells, 4 Grief, IoK, and TS. This seems really overboard for me, since those spells tend to be bad late-game topdecks (and this deck aims to put the game into topdeck mode asap). I suggest cutting down some on those and putting in some Blackmail and/or Raven's Crime. Also Liliana of the Veil is a really powerful card in any 8rack build. I'd move them from the sideboard to the mainboard, leaving up more space for hate cards in the sideboard.
About the manabase. You also have barely any lands. Even without Smallpox, 18 lands is really low. I would recommend 20 at the bare minimum. Not sure why City of Brass is there either. And you have 4 Urborgs and no fetches. For a three color deck, CoB should not be needed and I highly recommend you go with a fetch shock manabase with Bloodstained Mire and Marsh Flats (and maybe one Savai Triome. Mishra's Factory is also generally better than Mutavault.
Using Ensnaring Bridge to defend against creature-based strategies is a complete nonbo with the deck's strategy of attacking with Grief and Kroxa. You also have no spot removal in the entire deck, which means it is really difficult to deal with creatures you want to remove that don't attack. I suggest swapping out the Bridges for some spot removal. Also you're in mardu colors which means you can run Prismatic Ending along with Lightning Bolt and Fatal Push.
About the sideboard: Feed the Swarm is played in most monoblack lists because it is the only enchantment removal in monoblack. You're mardu, not mono-B, which means you have better options like Fragmentize, Fracture, Rip Apart, and Prismatic Ending. Grafdigger's Cage completely shuts down all of your Kroxa, Feign Death, Malakir Rebirth antics which makes it a terrible choice for graveyard hate. One sided hate like Soul-Guide Lantern and Leyline of the Void would be much better choices here.
1 month ago
Ok thanks. So first I have 38 lands
Misty Rainforest Scalding Tarn Rustvale Bridge Slagwoods Bridge Drossforge Bridge Darkmoss Bridge Forbidden Orchard Razortide Bridge Silverbluff Bridge Savai Triome Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth Thornglint Bridge Tanglepool Bridge Forest x5 Island x5 Mountain x5 Swamp x5 Plains x5
Creatures x22 Opposition Agent Ignoble Hierarch Esper Sentinel Dauthi Voidwalker Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer Seedborn Muse Faeburrow Elder Deathrite Shaman Dryad of the Ilysian Grove Eternal Witness Spore Frog Willbreaker Pramikon, Sky Rampart Wandering Archaic Flip Golos, Tireless Pilgrim Queen Marchesa Shalai, Voice of Plenty Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer Plaguecrafter Sun Titan Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger Nihiloor
1 month ago
The red splash in this list doesn't seem worth it for less than a playset of Thrilling Discovery , especially since you can run more Collective Brutality as discard outlets and I can't really think of any Prismatic Ending targets that cost three mana outside of the occasional Lurrus of the Dream-Den , although if you are keen on the red splash you should probably add a Savai Triome somewhere. Damn seems like something this deck would want as both cheap removal and a sweeper. Liliana of the Veil as some cheap interaction while also being a discard outlet.
I would also have some Wear / Tear in the sideboard. It can hit enchantment based graveyard hate like Rest in Peace while also being a good card against the artefact decks as it can Stone Rain a Urza's Saga and kill The Underworld Cookbook and Colossus Hammer . Anguished Unmaking was unplayable in a standard format with a W/B control deck in it. Vindicate is better 90% of the time it hits lands will also not losing you three life, which is pretty relevant against Murktide Regent decks where you want to bring in unconditional removal.
2 months ago
Hey, nice personal version. I respect you're willing to post for critique your personal deck that you're currently playing.
An area to consider improving is ramp. Consider cutting some basic lands especially Swamps for more low CMC mana rocks?
You can get ramp other ways than mana rocks such as Rakdos, Lord of Riots who's underrated with Kaalia. Can also be a backup to more easily cast high CMC creatures if you can't cheat them onto the battlefield with Kaalia. Rakdos could replace Iona, Shield of Emeria because she's banned in multiplayer EDH/Commander.
40 lands with 27 basic lands isn't a good ratio for color fixing when you need all three colors equally. You can't count on having Chromatic Lantern every game for color fixing, but you should consistently be able to count on your lands. Bloodstained Mire is great, nice Expedition, but currently it can't fetch a white source because there's no Swamp/Plains or Mountain/Plains land. Savai Triome , Godless Shrine and Sacred Foundry are Plains lands that Mire can search for.
Less lands, more color fixing and more ramp will help gameplay. You want at least 20 sources of each color from lands in the manabase which is completely doable with the already high budget. My advice is cut basic lands for more dual lands. I'll suggest two different tiers of land improvements to consider based on your current budget.
Tier 1 (more expensive lands, better color fixing): more Rainbow lands, more Fetch lands, Shock lands, Bond lands.
- Mana Confluence
- Exotic Orchard
- Forbidden Orchard
- Marsh Flats
- Arid Mesa
- Savai Triome
- Godless Shrine
- Sacred Foundry
- Blood Crypt
- Vault of Champions
- Spectator Seating
- Luxury Suite
Tier 2 (less expensive lands, less color fixing): lesser Rainbow lands, Bond lands, Pathways and Filter lands.
- Exotic Orchard
- Savai Triome : for Mire to fetch.
- Path of Ancestry
- Vault of Champions
- Spectator Seating
- Caves of Koilos
- Brightclimb Pathway Flip
- Needleverge Pathway Flip
- Graven Cairns
- Rugged Prairie
- Fetid Heath
I offer more advice. Would you like more advice? Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Online class is in session, which just means I've got an excuse to post my suggestions now. My suggestions for lands are a doctrine I'm going to press on you; the following suggestions are just ideas that you can decline based on your taste. Overall, your list epitomizes the Commander format to me.
- LANDS MAN LANDS! You could have the best cards in every format and never play them when you need them because you're topdecking the wrong basics at the wrong time. There's budget options, not every mana base needs to be fetches and shocks. Prioritize your lands over cards that are powerful but not essential to your strategy. There are some specific lands that would be interesting in here too. I recommend prioritizing buying one or all of these cycles before buying stuff like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth if you don't already have one. The basic land ratio can then be more specific once your lands are fixed, but that can be the last step of your construction.
Your Mardu and Commander staples: Command Tower , Savai Triome , Nomad Outpost , Exotic Orchard , Terramorphic Expanse , Evolving Wilds . I have a Forbidden Orchard that would be cool in this deck but would need to be part of a good deal (I'm strict about lands).
Your bicolored lands:
a. Pain lands: Caves of Koilos and Battlefield Forge are cheap as hell. Sulfurous Springs is the most expensive of these three but if you can get your cycle of lands for less than $15, it's still really good.
b. Filter lands: Graven Cairns , Rugged Prairie , Fetid Heath . You can get all three of these for $16 so it doesn't pass our test... but I have a Cairns for trade, bringing you to $12.50. These are good because you have some cards essential to your strategy that have double-colored-mana costs and others with multicolored costs. These are a great budget cycle, especially for your colors.
Less good bicolored lands that are require deckbuilding technique:
c. Check lands: these are fantastic if you have a good basic land ratio (why it would be important not to run both the thriving lands and the pathways at the same time as these)- Dragonskull Summit , Clifftop Retreat , Isolated Chapel
d. Pathway lands: Needleverge Pathway Flip, Brightclimb Pathway Flip, Blightstep Pathway Flip. You saw the foil full art Blightstep Pathway that was in my knight deck, you asked about the price when you said it was cool. I wouldn't necessarily go out of your way to buy these, but definitely seek them out in binders. If you're not running cards like Cultivate where you want to have some ratio of basic lands, these are strictly better than basic lands and could replace your Thriving Lands (which are a decent start; I have the nonred ones available).
- Curses, Vows, Impetuses: these could be cool, especially with the Sigarda's Aid you already own. Having these in your hand (and even better, a sigarda's aid in play) means when you say "if you attack this person instead of me, I'll reward you with ____" and bluff, or if someone attacks you you could flash in a Vow of Duty . I have most of these in the cube (as well as marchesa and the jankier cards in your deck), so you can try these out and see if you like them.
a. The other vows are Vow of Lightning , Vow of Torment , and Vow of Malice (quick trivia- there's two black vows because R&D has tried to ween off of intimidate and other mechanics like protection from [color] and likely didn't want to include it in Commander Legends).
b. More aggressive and prone to cause kamikaze-style attacks, the Impetuses are similar to the vows but definitely play very differently. Martial Impetus , Shiny Impetus , and Parasitic Impetus could even be considered removal for multiple creatures in combat if you flash them out with Sigarda's Aid.
c. Curses: Marchesa was the most popular commander for curses until Ghen, Arcanum Weaver was released. Curse of Chaos encourages the player with a shitty hand to swing in a bit. Curse of Bloodletting punishes the opponent who is too far ahead. Curse of Shallow Graves is cool at a table with Gedan's Varina, Lich Queen deck. The curses from Commander 2017- Curse of Opulence and Curse of Disturbance are the best in your deck as they also give you something when your opponent attacks them too. These are really the only curses that fit the theme and psychology of your deck by not making you a target IMO, but .
Removal: You have some "soft" enchantment synergy going on, so you might as well make it more broad. You're in the late game, you've got all your powerhouse enchantments in order and extra mana... why not cast Idyllic Tutor for whatever removal would smooth out your schemes? Darksteel Mutation shuts down commanders. Seal of Cleansing can be recurred with Hall of Heliod's Generosity . Dark Banishing is honestly a better run for your cash over Bedevil ... you're supposed to be able to convince those opponents to remove the black creature ;)
Individual cards: Gedan has a Rite of the Raging Storm you could get. Wishclaw Talisman is more on theme than Diabolic Tutor or cheaper than Infernal Tutor . This is the only deck I wanna see those and Grim Tutor in since I know what you tutor for will actually be interesting and not a combo piece. Sphere of Safety would be impenetrable and bait removal if you have the mana for it. I have a foil Keeper of the Accord somewhere but I don't know where it is. Commander's Sphere as a budget option for Chromatic Lantern , and if you build a solid budget land base the draw effect would be better (adding but lantern but not replacing would be good eventually)
Some cards I'd remove or wanted to comment on, but understand maybe stylistic or preferred: Sunforger can be a cool aikido spell tutor at instant speed. However, looking at your white instants, you have to spend 3 and then RW to save yourself with Angel's Grace . That could be a cool maneuver. I was also going to suggest dropping Akroma's Will until I saw Sunforger... that's fucking cool too, especially game changing after blockers are declared. Otherwise you're Mortify ing a creature, having your opponent talk to the Deflecting Palm , or Tear ing an enchantment in half. Batwing Brume wouldn't do anything with Sunforger. Therefore Sunforger basically has two game-changing effects and three utility effects, but I'd suggest keeping an eye on Sunforger to see how often the 3RW cost is available and worth it. The fewer cards you're dependent on, the more decentralized your strategy is, making it way harder to compete against (I'm saying this both critically and in favor of Sunforger- just keep it in mind). Torment of Hailfire wins you the game, but isn't gonna be less than $15 in the next couple years. You might not need it. Revival / Revenge can make you one of six creatures or one of three opponents an enemy- it seems like there are better cards you could play. Revel in Riches makes you a threat that your opponents need to race against, and I (genuinely) don't know if that's a position you want or if you want to maintain your monarch status. Try to think of when you want to win with this deck- by beating down your opponents individually, by beating them all at once, by spontaneously winning, or by drawing the game out for as long as possible and having the best resources throughout the game.
I haven't been able to analyze most of my own decks this intensively in a while, your design is competitive while still unique and interesting. Knowing your play style and how well it fits to this too also helps me suggest cards- it's the difference between auto-generating a deck from EDHRec and building a deck. I haven't been super inspired in the decks I've been building for myself, but this one of yours has me just as interested in the game as you now.
5 months ago
Awesome deck! Love the commander. Certainly one of those I love seeing at the table because I know there's going to be a lot of fun.
Some recommendations for cuts: Ancestral Blade seems kind of weak for the deck. Give you a token you cant recur with Alesha and only gives +1/+1. Boros Signet and Rakdos Signet , as I don't generally like the signet's, but I know a lot of people like them. Promise of Tomorrow seems like a good win con card, but it doesn't work with this deck since Alesha want's to bring creatures back from the graveyard. Inspiring Captain seems like a good card for the deck, but you cant bring it back with Alesha and really will only help once or twice at best. Archetype of Aggression , Rogue's Passage , Demystify , Return to Dust , Shimmering Grotto , and Take Vengeance , are other cut's ID make personally. They don't add enough or do enough and there better options available.
I could see Rise of the Dark Realms being an awesome card with this deck, but it fits in almost all deck hahah.
I hope these recommendations helped. Upvote from me.
6 months ago
Hey, nice version of Kaalia, lots of interesting card choices.
You're playing a lot of lands that you only see in low budget decks. White is the primary color as there's more white then both red and black combined, but this is not shown in the manabase where there's more red than white. By cutting several lands that always ETB tapped you can improve the manabase to speed up your deck.
On your budget there's only a few exceptions I would make Nomad Outpost , Path of Ancestry and the three Bounce lands. All other lands should be able to ETB untapped. Because you have Bloodstained Mire then Savai Triome would be an upgrade for any Bounce land.
- Exotic Orchard --> New Benalia
- Battlefield Forge --> Boros Guildgate
- Caves of Koilos --> Rakdos Guildgate
- Needleverge Pathway Flip --> Scoured Barrens
- Brightclimb Pathway Flip --> Wind-Scarred Crag
- Path of Ancestry --> Karoo
- Dragonskull Summit --> Bloodfell Caves
- Smoldering Marsh --> Sulfurous Mire
- Ash Barrens --> Great Furnace
These are some land upgrade suggestions based on a $300 deck budget. Of course there's many other better/ more expensive price upgrades to consider such as the Shock lands, Battlebond lands and Filter lands.
Nahiri, the Harbinger is good in multiplayer Commander. Having a potential repeatable removal exile effect and with strategies where you want to cheat creatures onto the battlefield. Returning the creature you tutor for back to your hand is nice interaction with Kaalia. She's especially good with Rune-Scarred Demon and Emeria Shepherd . Phyrexian Reclamation and Karmic Guide are both helpful repeatable recursion/reanimation effects with Kaalia. Karmic because it's an Angel.
- Nahiri, the Harbinger --> Serra's Guardian
- Phyrexian Reclamation --> Walk the Plank
- Karmic Guide --> Chancellor of the Annex
Good luck with your deck.