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- Can instant-speed sacrifice effects be used on creatures that enter the battlefield with 0 toughness?
- Does Adaptive Automaton save 0 toughness persist creatures?
- Can I cast an instant spell before a creature's ability with "At the beginning of your upkeep" resolves?
- Cauldron Haze
- Cauldron Haze (persist until end of turn)
Choose any number of target creatures. Each of those creatures gains persist until end of turn. (When it's put into a graveyard from play, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to play under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
Cauldron Haze Discussion
4 days ago
I feel like Cauldron Haze is a bit pointless seeing as most if your creatures have persist anyway, feels like a better card could be used in this slot.
Also, you should include Carrion Feeder
5 days ago
Cauldron Haze only affects the permanents that it targets, once the cards change zones and return to the battlefield the new permanents don't have persist even though they are represented by the same card.
To answer your question lets assume we are using Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Woodfall Primus so that the permanent has both abilities each time it is recurred.the steps of what happens are as follows.
Woodfall Primus dies, both undying and persist trigger.
You control both abilities and so get to put them on the stack in whatever order you wish. For this example we will be putting persist on the stack first and then undying.
After a round of priority the topmost object of the stack resolves. Assuming no responses this is undying.
Woodfall Primus is put on the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.
After another round of priority persist resolves but has nothing to move.
The next time Primus dies he has a +1/+1 counter and only persist triggers.
The abilities keep alternating because Primus will have one of the two types of counters but not both. (Excluding some corner cases).
5 days ago
Persist and Undying are both triggered abilities. As you control the creature in question, you would choose what order they go on the stack, and the first to resolve will put the creature back on the battlefield with a counter of the correct type. The other ability will fizzle due to the creature no longer being in the graveyard. That's it.
However there is still value to combining Persist and Undying, just not in the way you're working it here.
The way it works out is this: let's say your Young Wolf already died once and came back with a +1/+1 counter from Undying. If it died again, Undying wouldn't be able to bring it back due to it having a +1/+1 counter on it. But if you gave it Persist, then it could come back with Persist, receiving a -1/-1 counter. At that point, Undying would be able to bring it back again, even though Persist couldn't. This is why people like to combine Persist creatures with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed .
It's important to note that the Young Wolf that returns will be a new object with no memory of its previous existence, including having Persist from Cauldron Haze . You'll have to find a way to give it Persist again to continue playing with this interaction.
5 days ago
How do the effects go off? Do they both proc and the counters cancel out, or would 1 fizzle out because the creature isn't in grave anymore? Could you manipulate the stack to alternate which one fully resolves?
1 month ago
No, because when Wall of Omens or any other creature affected by Cauldron Haze return from the GY due to persist it is considered a new object and is thus unaffected by the Cauldron Haze cast on its "previous" version.
For what you are trying to do you need a permanent type effect similar to Mikaeus, the Unhallowed .
1 month ago
If Vizier of Remedies Viscera Seer and Wall of Omens Are in play and I cast Cauldron Haze with Wall of Omens as the target can I continually sacrifice it to Viscera for Scry and Draw since it has persist until end of turn?
2 months ago
Hero of Iroas isn't doing much for you since you're not playing auras. You might try Fabled Hero or Wingsteed Rider instead. You also might want to add in some more multi-target spells - Gird for Battle , Launch the Fleet , and Cauldron Haze are all good budget options.
2 months ago
This is a good start to an enchantment-based heroic deck. A few suggestions: (1) Hero of Iroas isn't doing much for you, since most of your auras are only one or two mana anyway - maybe sub in more Phalanx Leader or something like Graceblade Artisan ? (2) Auras put a bullseye on your creatures, so you might want to add in protective spells that also trigger heroic - Emerge Unscathed , Sheltering Light , etc. (3) If you really want to stick with the heroic idea, you might replace the artifacts and War Flare with something that can target multiple creatures - Cauldron Haze , Launch the Fleet , etc.
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