- 4x Arbor Elf
- 2x Birds of Paradise
- 3x Chameleon Colossus
- 3x Inferno Titan
- 1x Obstinate Baloth
- 2x Stormbreath Dragon
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August 14, 2017 5:53 p.m.
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August 14, 2017 7:13 p.m.
Acidic Slime is a great card (Deathtouch in particular is just SO good) and I'll give it a hard look. But while I can see it competing vs. the 4- and 5-drops in the deck, I just don't see it competing with Beast Within (because Beast is faster on the mana curve, can also kill Planeswalkers, and is an Instant).
By the way, if by 'most' you mean adsav and Jon Elgan then sure. But in the other 10 competitive decklists I'm aware of (up in the 'Primers and other resources' section), there are 20x Beast Within and 0x Acidic Slime ... ;-)
Thanks though, tons!
August 14, 2017 7:17 p.m.
August 14, 2017 7:19 p.m.
August 14, 2017 9:17 p.m.
rothgar13, I would argue that it feels pretty damn good to have a spell that so cleanly deals with all the problem cards this deck has so quickly. I would think that Acidic Slime is the worse card in 90% of situations.
August 14, 2017 11:39 p.m.
What problem cards for Ponza does Beast Within beat? Liliana of the Veil? I can't think of very many others. I think the card is flexible, but a 3/3 is not irrelevant on the board for a deck with such poor spot removal options, and I don't really think that there are that many "must answer" noncreature permanents for Ponza to begin with. The Slime is a 2-for-1 - the body will almost always be relevant thanks to deathtouch, and the destruction effect comes with no downside. The only issue is coming up with the mana for it, but I'd argue that Ponza's typically pretty clogged at the 3-spot, and doesn't have enough awesome payoff spells later on.
August 15, 2017 12:08 a.m.
Beast Within being an instant and a piece of spot removal for important creatures is very relevant, and I think that it being so low costed is a benefit, not a bad thing. This deck also runs enough super value creatures and spells that it doesn't matter about the Beast token being a 2 for 1.
August 15, 2017 12:14 a.m.
As of late I've been pretty low on Beast Within. I rarely want to see it in my opening hand as a LD spell, and there have been games where the token helped my opponent more than me. Against aggro I often use it as a 3 mana 3/3 to destroy one of my own lands in order to live another turn or 2, but that line never seems to work out. I think I'll be crazy and try siding them out completely for another threat or two just to see if it makes a difference in the optimal lines of play this deck normally takes. I mean, ideally you're not casting beast within until turn 4+ anyway.
August 15, 2017 6:40 a.m.
Maybe I'm missing something, but the two decks I see on MTGgoldfish with Acidic Slime are the two I already mentioned (by adsav and Jon Elgan). The other two (by Andrew Black and abombdiggity) each had 2x Beast Within in the main.
But either way, I personally can't imagine playing Ponza without The Beast. I don't like it as a four-of at all (since it's pretty gross in an opening hand except vs. Liliana of the Veil). But somewhere between 2-3x has been almost perfect for my playstyle and meta (so far).
As far as what it hits? In just the last week or so, I've won matches after killing a Tarmogoyf, a Gurmag Angler, a Cranial Plating, a 4/4 Angel from a Geist of Saint Traft, and most notably a Spreading Seas (on my own Stomping Ground, which allowed me to cast Chandra, Torch of Defiance and then +1 her for mana and an Inferno Titan on the next turn). Sure, I might have won those matches anyways, and I might have won other matches if I'd had a different card in the slot. But it's earned at least 2 slots in my deck for sure.
Seriously, thanks tons though! I always appreciate the chance to relook a card with fresh eyes, especially as the meta evolves!
August 15, 2017 1:33 p.m.
After thinking a LOT about Titan Shift and CoCo Counters, I'm actually moving to 4x Beast Within in the 75. Beast can kill Mountains with Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle triggers on the stack, and it can of course kill Devoted Druid or Vizier of Remedies in response to a cast (of the other one or a CoCo). I think that's going to be worth the ugh of having one in my opening hand.
August 15, 2017 6:24 p.m.
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