Creature — Fish Lizard
When Bounding Krasis enters the battlefield, you may tap or untap target creature.
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|Mystery Booster (MYS1)||Uncommon|
|Magic Origins (ORI)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Bounding Krasis occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
Bounding Krasis Discussion
1 week ago
Hi. Saw you asking for advice on the Animar Discord but didn't want to clog up the channel so I figured I'd leave some comments here. I'll try to focus on more budget friendly changes since you already know about the more expensive recommendations.
The first thing that stands out to me is that you've doubled down on a lot of redundancy of similar effects to make your combo options more consistent. Since you don't have Imperial Recruiter and Weird Harvest, I can see why you would do that for a more casual meta. What has happened though is that you have filled up slots that would normally go to the other cards that help Animar function faster. A number of cards could be trimmed out to put in important lower-curve cards.
To start with, you actually have too many combos in the deck that are clogging up cards slots. You already have Ancestral Statue + Walking Ballista, which is Animar's bread and butter. Competitive decks generally focus on assembling that as quickly as possible and protecting the combo.
The typical secondary combo line in cEDH Animar is the Kiri-Onna loop, but that requires you to put a lot of money into your mana base to make sure nearly all you lands produce blue mana for maximum efficiency, so lets skip that for now.
Another backup combo is Barrin, Master Wizard/Temur Sabertooth + Dockside Extortionist, which you already have. Barrin is generally favoured because of its versatility, but the Sabertooth works too and the combo can potentially produce infinite mana without Animar. The combo works well in the cEDH meta because of all the cheap mana rocks and enchantments that get played, but there's a chance it won't be as consistent in more casual metas.
In addition to the main combos, you often see Purphoros, God of the Forge as a backup kill condition. Since you have that too you are fairly well set for win-conditions.
On top of that though, you also currently have the Kiki/Twin combo package, Cloudstone Curio with a couple morph creatures and eldrazi, Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake + Acidic Slime, and Oracle/Labman to win by decking off of "enchantress" effects like Beast Whisperer. You honestly don't need all of that. Some people may run Thassa's Oracle as an option for when damage might not win the game, but the rest could be heavily trimmed to make room for other important ramp and interaction.
So, cards to cut:
Deadeye Navigator is an easy cut. The higher cmc creatures clog up opening hands and force more mulligans. Cloudstone Curio can't be tutored for in your list, which makes it unreliable. Taking that out makes Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger unwanted. That leads to taking out Nettle Drone and Thought Harvester because they are just redundant effects that you already get with Ballista and Purphoros. Laboratory Maniac can come out because it will generally be a more fragile Thassa's Oracle. You could take the oracle out too because there are ways to just bounce and kill with Ballista, even when you are being forced to draw cards off of Glimpse of Nature or Beast Whisperer. I can see why you might want to leave that one in though.
The Kiki/twin package takes up a bunch of slots with cards that don't really do a whole lot on their own except for Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, which some people think is too unwieldy to cast consistently because of the RRR in its casting cost. Splinter Twin isn't tutorable in the deck, so it's unreliable. Bounding Krasis and Breaching Hippocamp are just redundant bodies that don't even have the same versatility in their effect that Pestermite and Deceiver Exarch, and even those can be a little lack-luster.
If you aren't looking to take all the unnecessary combos out, I can see leaving some of the Kiki stuff in as a 2-card combo that isn't reliant on Animar. Just Kiki, Pestermite, and Deceiver Exarch on their own is enough. If you want to double down on it a bit though, you can consider putting in Zealous Conscripts. With the Conscripts, you can open up a 1 turn combo line with Vannifar.
- Tap Prime Speaker Vannifar -> sac Glen Elendra Archmage -> Archmage returns to the battlefield because of persist -> get Zealous Conscripts and untap Vannifar -> tap Vannifar and sac the Archmage again to get Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to combo with the Conscripts. Birthing Pod can also work in place of Vannifar.
Other cards worth cutting are Guardian Project (can't be tutored or cost-reduced), Soul of the Harvest (expensive and Primordial Sage is better), Vigean Graftmage (don't have enough +1/+1 counter synergies for this to be worth the slot), Farhaven Elf (better off with a 1 CMC mana dork), Solemn Simulacrum (better off with a 1 CMC mana dork), Tidal Barracuda (it may protect you from counterspells on your turn, put there is just too much risk with letting your opponents cast all their stuff at instant speed on every other turn). There are other cards that could be cut, but those are the ones that really stand out.
To replace the cards you take out, you'll be wanting the 1 cmc mana dorks and mana acceleration that was recommended on Discord, some more card draw/cantrip creatures like Mulldrifter and Generous Patron, and some cheap/free counterspells.
Anyway, I know this is a long wall of text but I hope the feed back helps give you a place to start making tweaks to your deck. And, of course, the people on the Animar Discord are always happy to offer advice.
2 months ago
Contract from Below (ummm... what?? this is too strong and the ante doesnt exist to balance it)
Ichorclaw Myr (colorless infect)
Sun Titan (probably fine)
Porcelain Legionnaire (cheap first strike, hard to kill in reasonable time without using removal spell on a 2 drop)
Winds of Abandon game ending 1 sided wrath (probably just too strong)
Mana Tithe fine card, but not sure why white has counter spells
Peregrine Drake probably fine, but just worth watching for overly easy infinites
Etherium Sculptor potentially too many artifact synergy cards like this in the cube (artifacts might be one of the most well supported archetypes)
Brain Freeze (not really supported?)
Snap again potential infinite mana
Feldon of the Third Path potentially degenerate?
Flameshadow Conjuring (goes infinite with multiple creatures with an iron myr)
Golgari Grave-Troll maybe fine
Sprout Swarm (I've seen this card be silly, but its probably fine)
2 months ago
Bounding Krasis is concerning. What is its role?
Infect in general seems really strong
Reanimator seems strong as well given the top end creatures that exists, but hard to say relative to everything else
Blue feels like most cards exists to punish other archetypes, but it doesn't do much on its own
Red feels about right to me at a glance.
What is the intended power level? This seems to range from vintage cube to standard in power level. I would expect Channel with moxen and well supported a storm archetype, not Ayula, Queen Among Bears.
Lodestone Golem along with the artifact cost reducers, untappers and such could potentially be oppressive.
7 months ago
Thanks so much for the help conclaa8! I was looking into the Biomancer's Familiar and Duskwatch Recruiter Flip interaction. But I hadn’t even thought of the Incubation Druid and Bounding Krasis interaction. I can’t wait to try that out. I’ve been trying to stay away from Collected Company just due to cost, but may end up there eventually.
Thanks again for the help!
7 months ago
I really like this combo of Biomancer's Familiar plus Eldrazi Displacer but I have a couple of suggestions that might make the deck run a little smoother. First of a big issue with this color combination is that it is actually a 4 color deck without fetches that might be a tad tricky. And Yavimaya Coast gives us 3 of them so they are an instant 4 of. And to be honest that is really the only good land in the format for us.
For the creatures. I feel like there are a lot of powerful ones in there but there isn't enough synergy to justify the familiar or displacer. Let's fix that! A card I love for this deck is Incubation Druid the reason why is that it works incredibly well with both Biomancer's Familiar and Eldrazi Displacer . Like insanely well. First its adapt cost gets reduced by familiar second it can produce colorless mana if you have colorless lands for displacer to keep displacing. And if we add a third card into the loop Bounding Krasis we can go infinite. The nice thing about krasis is it does an ok impression of Reflector Mage when we need it to.
Also I still think we aren't getting enough value out of Biomancer's Familiar yet so the last card that should round out our synergy there is Duskwatch Recruiter Flip. Insanely good on its own and allows us to dig through our entire deck if we go infinite.
At this point I would seriously consider going on a Collected Company plan over the Shalai, Voice of Plenty , Reality Smasher and Tamiyo, Collector of Tales because well we are trying to out value our opponent not run them over. The Matter Reshaper s are another good card on their own but not really doing too much for the synergy you are trying to go for.
For rounding out the rest of the deck I would consider some of the following cards Thraben Inspector , Charming Prince , Overwhelmed Apprentice , Renegade Rallier and last but not least Fblthp, the Lost .
Hope this was helpful!
8 months ago
It's hard to argue with the Flash package from recent sets, but as a longtime Flash enthusiast I'll throw out a few ideas from older sets:
Simic Charm : Could replace Unsummon; it's a bit more expensive for that mode but the other 2 modes might make it worth the tradeoff since it's never a dead card.
Boon Satyr : Bestowing onto a flyer seems like a nice finishing move, and adding 4 power to the board for 3 isn't bad either.
Bounding Krasis : A little bit fatter version of Trickster, except it can also help out in races against aggro by recruiting an unexpected blocker.
8 months ago
Hey SP3CTR3_chelts ! First off, you're totally right, it's "just" 20 power, 5 of which are tapped. This is just the loop you can go through your deck and does not account for your hand cards though. That's where the last line of the discription takes place. You can easily go up to 25 or 30. While playtesting I had finished the combo as stated and had a Bounding Krasis is hand. I played it, untaped Vannifar, sacrificed it and got Nylea. Suddenly I had another 6/6 indistructible. Alternatively you can Neoform your Vannifar and get another Gearhulk. That's 8 more power. I'm not a math guy so I cant talk about odds and probabilities, but the basic cycle is really just the beginning.
8 months ago
Didn’t say it makes it degenerate, just saying it has the possibility to given the right card pool, and mostly speaking some commons printed for limited play like Bounding Krasis . However the real reason is financially and cuz people like pws more than 1/4 4 cmc white creatures. It leaves room for people to explore a ur/x artifact synergy deck with saheeli (not saying it’ll ever be competitive but people love brewing that kind of stuff). And mythic pw of a set > an uncommon cat from a wotc financial standpoint.