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Liliana Vess
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Target player discards a card.
-2: Search your library for a card, then shuffle your library and put that card on top of it.
-8: Put all creature cards in all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control.
DemonDragonJ on
All Will Be One
3 weeks ago
I have replaced Ring of Three Wishes with Liliana Vess, since she simply has far greater utility than does the ring.
DemonDragonJ on Ring of Three Wishes or …
3 weeks ago
Everyone here has suggested that I choose Liliana Vess, so I shall do that.
DemonDragonJ on Ring of Three Wishes or …
4 weeks ago
I have a copy of Ring of Three Wishes in my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice EDH deck, as that deck is my only deck that can truly utilize that artifact to its fullest potential, but, since I have been reconsidering my inclusion of the ring in some of my other EDH decks, I also am wondering if it is the best card to put into that deck, as well.
One user suggested that I replace the ring with the original Liliana Vess, since one of her abilities is nearly the same as that of the ring, but I would would like to ask the other users of this forum for advice, before I make any decisions, and I shall compare the two cards to assist with that process.
+can be used at an time that an instant can be cast, and, with the proper combo, can be used multiple times in a turn cycle
+requires the removal of only a single counter
-costs 5 mana to use, in addition to initial casting cost
-artifact destruction is very prevalent
+requires no additional mana after initial cost
+has several other abilities in addition to tutoring ability
-tutoring ability requires removal of two counters, rather than one, meaning that it is not guaranteed that the ability can be used every turn
-card is put atop library, rather into hand (but my Atraxa deck obviously has plenty of methods for drawing cards)
-abilities can be used only at any time that a sorcery can be cast
-/+artifact destruction is more prevalent than is planeswalker destruction, but planeswalkers are vulnerable to damage
What does everyone else say about this subject? Should I replace Ring of Three Wishes with Liliana Vess?
Gidgetimer on How Good is Ring of …
1 month ago
Liliana Vess is pretty good in an Atraxa deck, even better if you can proliferate twice per turn and just make her into an Imperial Seal every turn. I probably should have listed her in the "useful in the right deck" part and mentioned that Atraxa is in fact the right deck for her, so it is a decent choice. The counters synergy isn't what makes a deck "the right deck" for Wishclaw. Voltaic Key-esque abilities are what constitutes "the right deck" for Wishclaw.
I totally understand wanting to keep to a theme and people having fun in different ways. You are however asking (both in this thread and the one on Book of Rass) if cards are "good" and I kinda got caught up in that mindset. Liliana Vess is not a good card, it is a passable card that is good in Atraxa (assuming that people allow you to keep proliferate engines out).
Also, before people jump on me thinking I am trash talking the vast majority of cards, there is nothing wrong with running passable cards that are only good in the context of the deck. Every single one of my decks contains cards that are only good in the context of the deck. In 6/7 the non-lands are mostly passable to bad cards that are good only in context. Personally I find this a much more interesting way to build than "all of my decks of a certain color contain these cards and there are only like 5-7 spots to make it different than any other commander in the same colors".
DemonDragonJ on How Good is Ring of …
1 month ago
In both my Chulane, Teller of Tales deck and my Ghired, Conclave Exile deck, I have replaced Ring of Three Wishes with Shared Summons, since both of those decks focus very strong on creatures, making the latter card an ideal replacement.
In my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck, I am contemplating replace the ring with Liliana Vess, since her second ability is very similar to the ability of the ring; what does everyone else say about that?
DawnsRayofLight on
Atraxa Superfriends
5 months ago
As a fellow Atraxa player, I can offer some suggestions if it helps!
38 Lands may be a bit much, you don't want to get flooded. Generally, I am happy when I hit 7 lands on field. and 34 has been enough to make that happen more or less consistently I will attach my list to the bottom, that land base has been extremely consistent in casting a T3-4 Atraxa.
Some suggested adds:
Luminarch Ascension: funny with Atraxa and a good token generator
As Foretold: cast free spells
Contagion Engine: speeds up walkers
Toxrill, the Corrosive: another wipe
Sword of Truth and Justice for Atraxa beatdown
Walkers I like, I do not always run them for their ultimate but their control value:
Kaya the Inexorable: helps with keeping Atraxa recurring and a good removal outlet
Kaya, Ghost Assassin: I was surprised out how good she is in my testing, super annoying to play against
Tezzeret, Artifice Master: His ultimate is super fun and he makes tokens and draws
Elspeth, Sun's Champion: tons of tokens and a board wipe.
Liliana Vess: search
DawnsRayofLight on
Tergrid Turbo
6 months ago
32 lands seems very on the low end. I would run at least 34 NOT including Agadeem and the other flip land. I would make those are all swamps. Witch's Cottage is also good. Be careful on the utility lands, I found myself needing to drop the land destruction lands for more swamps because I kept getting colourless land hands and couldn't cast anything.
Some card suggestions:
Liliana Vess: helps with discard and tutoring
Yawgmoth, Thran Physician for proliferating and other shennanigans
Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Ineffable for some permanent removal
Living Death could be funny
Burglar Rat: another discard on a stick
K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth: can help with ramp, also gets to be a big pain if left alone
Some cards I am iffy on
Cabal Ritual: I am not big on the dark ritual type cards in EDH unless you're running all of them and playing some crazy storm list or what have you.
Skullclamp: not enough targets
That is all I can think of right now, I may be able to think of something after eating.
DrkNinja on
Dead Silence
6 months ago
Ok so I didn't check to see if any of these were in the deck already but... here's my list of suggestions!
It's a lot of cards so...
- Imperial Seal
- Personal Tutor
- Vampiric Tutor
- Liliana Vess
- Cruel Tutor
- Diabolic Vision
- Nephalia Academy
- Library of Leng
- Aqueous Form
- Ashiok, Dream Render
- Augury Owl
- Baleful Mastery
- Bolas's Citadel
- Brainstorm
- Cabal Coffers
- Castle Vantress
- Commit / Memory
- Connive / Concoct
- Curse of the Cabal
- Darksteel Pendant
- Dauthi Voidwalker
- Deadly Rollick
- Devastation Tide
- Dig Through Time
- Discovery / Dispersal
- Draco
- Far / Away
- Fierce Guardianship
- Foil
- Force of Will
- Grazilaxx, Illithid Scholar
- Gudul Lurker
- Into the Story
- Invisible Stalker
- Jace, the Mind Sculptor
- Key to the City
- Krydle of Baldur's Gate
- Looter il-Kor
- Misdirection
- Mist-Cloaked Herald
- Murderous Cut
- Nether Traitor
- Never / Return
- Nexus of Fate
- Opposition Agent
- Phantom Ninja
- Rags / Riches
- Rogue Class
- Sage Owl
- Scroll Rack
- Sea Gate Restoration Flip
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Siren Stormtamer
- Spire Owl
- Spite / Malice
- Strionic Resonator
- Submerge
- Temporal Trespass
- Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
- Thalakos Seer
- The Cauldron of Eternity
- The Magic Mirror
- Thespian's Stage
- Throatseeker
- Tormented Soul
- Treasure Cruise
- Triton Shorestalker
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire
- Whispersilk Cloak
- Deserted Temple
- Taigam's Scheming
Again some of these may be cut worthy but off the cuff this is what I came up with. Also I didn't include any ninjas... I figure they are easy enough to find
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