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|Magic 2015 (M15)||Mythic Rare|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Mythic Rare|
|Duel Decks: Garruk vs. Liliana (DDD)||Mythic Rare|
|2010 Core Set (M10)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo set for Gatherer (PSG)||Mythic Rare|
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Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Target player discards a card.
-2: Search your library for a card, then shuffle your library and put that card on top of it.
-8: Put all creature cards in all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control.
|Have (9)||Pumpkinking913 , lorddarkstar , Cosmonautilis , , Taki117 , pskinn01 , Forkbeard , Bluboltar , jecder|
|Want (4)||Marnat , Treebeard_1 , BeaverCleaver , vrjtvs|
Liliana Vess Discussion
2 weeks ago
Liliana of the Veil is amazing, though unfortunately she is a lot of money. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is a more affordable alternative -- and if you can flip her fast and consistently, she's arguably just as good. Liliana Vess is also good, but I think she's significantly worse than the aforementioned. If you run some Lilies, Liliana's Triumph becomes even more powerful.
Considering how much of your creatures are under three power, you might want to consider Meekstone if your meta is into the whole attacking thing.
Night of Souls' Betrayal seems like it'd be super dorky in this deck. Your x/1s (like Dusk Legion Zealot ) would die and come back every turn so long as your general is down, so you'd get their triggers on every end step. This will require a lot of build-around, but keep it in mind because it's kinda super powerful.
2 weeks ago
HOW DOES ONE BUMP (CHOMP) LIKE A WEIRDO?
(NOTE: I heard that Bump Jokes are supposedly a bad thing here. If that's true, how do I bold just "BUMP" w/o a bad pun? Oka, back to the Topic...)
It seems this Topic is like having an Astral Plane, but Physicality is entirely Nil. I guess I have to show my Spellbook from here? Take caution; this is some very personal stuff you're about to read...
Aeon Engine : Have you ever wanted to change yourself prior to now? I do; how I got to this point is a cruel progress. My past was filled w/ nothing but despair. I was a crybaby of a B----, & my Asperger's Syndrome didn't help matters (At the time, people thought I was different, but not in a good way; it was near the end of the quest to discover Autism). Neither did mixing ZOLOFT w/ Chocolate Milk made from Nesquik Powder; but Risperdal, at preteen status?! OI! I never liked Zoloft in the first place, & that's how I got the personality I have today; not through Mana, but Zoloft. Fun Fact: Aeon Engine was created by WotC in response to Paradox Engine 's sudden banning in Commander/EDH. Paradox was even mentioned in the Flavor Text.
Flood of Tears This card is busted for a good reason: Instant Cheat for Omniscience . If tears bring hope, it has never arrived. While there are bad memories of my past, how can one not even be 0.infinity & 1% Good memories? Mine are BEAST WARS, Aurex Cluster Transformers (Armada, Energon, & Cybertron), Medabots, Pre-Burst Beyblade, among others to note. I was going to represent Flood of Recollection on this; but when you essentially bounce (Almost) EVERYTHING, just to tutor into play whatever permanent (This can also be a LAND; It does not say nonland permanent!) you freakin want, maybe utilizing your Unfathomable & Distraught Sorrow... um, maybe it might not be so bad after all... Fast Fact: I actually have a soft spot for ol' Mu Yanling. Her divine Beauty & Grace makes her a very powerful Neowalker even after surviving the WAR. Damn though, ol' Mowu turning to stone w/o needing to be Petrified by Vraska . Well, at least she's hunting down Dovin Baan … Heh.
Wildest Dreams : This card represents the very things I want to do as a result: Such as be an Indie Game Developer, Make a Custom PC to fit such a game's needs (It is planned to be on Par w/ the PS5; w/ support for 8K. What budget to use?), even being on YouTube not just for gameplay purpose anymore, but in addition, talking about what I like to talk about, & yes, eve the MTG ARENA Twitch Streams. That, & an Spell that can be recurred by Riftsweeper anyway is awesome.
Ponder : To think is to try & Hatch an idea. Whatever you need to do in order to accomplish your goals. How to Approach a Scenario... How to think & act fast in a stressful Situation; If you can put more than just Blood, Sweat, & Tears into it, Anything that is fixed in the realism of our world is possible. Also, I think of ideas that are almost parallel to WARHAMMER 40,000's Tzeentch's status as the Changer of Ways. & being a One-Use Sensei's Divining Top is actually pretty good.
Act on Impulse : Sometimes you have that tingling sense you need to fufill; FAST. For me? It can be Desires of the Human Flesh, Anime ASMR, Eating something I'm allergic to, it just goes on. This is the Same feeling for Impulsive Draw, & for this one; I suggest you prep yourself before exiling 3 to cast ( Unless you press your luck on this... ). I wonder how to Make Impulsive Draw better in , & ?
Concentrate : Words lie? People Lie? The Lands speaks the Truth? Uh, no, Garruk Wildspeaker . Even when my head has so many ideas; some finally realized in much better art than before: Sakura-Tribe Elder , Lightning Greaves , even a new art for Solemn Simulacrum better than the Kaladesh Inventions version. What did you think is a lie also, you bats--- crazy Druid turned Walker Hunter? Our minds are our greatest treasure in ourselves; & yours just so happened to be removed from a complete Monster to you. Now I just want the original Art for Harmonize in the future; WotC is at least looking slightly up at the least. OH, & suck on this, Garruk fans: When ol' Liliana meets w/ Kaya ; now a Gatewatch member in her stead; I'll ask you a question w/ a JEAPORDY-Style Clue: These Two Walkers are both after Liliana Vess , but out of both of them, one will get in the way w/ another & vice versa to kill one of the last "Oldwalkers"; Actually, Garruk has since been cured of The Chain Veil 's curse, but whether he'll backup Liliana Vess or not we've yet to see...
Echo of Eons : Remember what I said about how Time Stretch speaks nothing but the Truth? Well, you're about to be screwed as to why (Engages a more, Lawful Evil Persona...) There has always been this, & ONLY THIS. Only the Present Exists. The Past is just recovered Information that already happened as the Present Progresses through time, & the Future is merely the Present as it progresses forward through the Flow of Time. How could it work like a VCR? Fast Forward is Accelerating All of Reality. Rewind does the same, but inverse. Pause stops all or Reality; Infinite Dimensional Layers, it's essentially worse than Absolute Zero, as nobody can even Move; the Flow of Time ceases, & therefore, Reality. Record would allow you to repeat the good times now, but when would you believe that very clip will be either Boring, or Tear Jerking? What if one could foolishly break the laws of Temporal Science? Accelerating time? Reversing it? Force one through Accelerated Aging? Reversing the Present Time of another? Foreseeing a Future that's just another section of a later Present?
Forcing one's consciousness to several days back to one point in their life that already happened? Stopping one's Time by pausing it? Create Time Paradoxal Anomalies of any physical form? Sharing one's Senses in another Timeline/Dimensional Layer? Going back to a previous Present of another? Forcing one so far into a Later Section of out Present that it pales on BFR (BattleField Removal)? Same for being sent back in time where its Present should be only lost to Historical Records? What could all this mean as The Present is the one true form of time? You might be wondering, what is this suppose to mean? Simple: Sakuya Izayoi (Touhou Project) vs Kurumi Tokisaki (DATE-A-LIVE) needs to be made into fruition. MAKE IT HAPPEN, Hyun's Dojo Community. or ROOSTER TEETH. They're fine too... But when you need a good Timetwister that doesn't exile itself right away, remember the murderer MTG's Idea of Goldilocks wanted to murder you too for backing up A Tribal Leader of one of the Worst Viable Creature Types. . I wish I had a BURN! GIF to those that say Shit like BEAR FORCE ONE is "Great". Bears don't even have Non-Vanilla Effects most of the time. Goldilocks would rather kill a Ruler of her Animal Type than just simply kill Mama Bear, Papa Bear, & Baby Bear.
???: Maelstrom Wanderer , Riku of Two Reflections , Intet, the Dreamer , a Chandra Walker... Anything can apply here for something, but I believe my best bet is to include some Personality Traits that I can relate to. Take the Triumphs of WAR for instance. Chandra's Triumph mentions finding your ideal self, & believing in the idea of the lack of perfection; both of these I can relate to. Jace's Triumph states ultimate power (This is Omnipotence Vibes incarnate.) is self-defeating; also agreeing on this. Liliana's Triumph even states having independence is very important; I agree with this as well. But for Gideon's Triumph & Nissa's Triumph , they have nothing to contribute to. Might as well continue from there: Believing in the salvation of just being alive is pointless; Hell, Sirius Black in the Movie Adaptation of Prisoner of Azkaban said this: "I would have died! I would have died rather than betray my friends, as we would have done for you!" Like Gideon Jura/Kytheon long after the fact, Ol' Padfoot was killed to early. Nissa though, is FAR worse. Why destroy the Unnatural, when you can channel its power & make excellent use of it? Even fostering Life? Nearly every Animal on Earth; Discovered or Not, has a Mortality Rate for each individual Organism; Mayflies alone live for 5 MINUTES. But even some organisms (I'll talk of Animals in this case.) are capable of resetting their lifespan from an old age, to being reborn from using itself; not even Phoenix's; those who are reborn from their own ash could do something this epic.
But if you wanted to know my personality traits to further help out this cause, here's what I'll say for all 5 individual Mana Colors:
: Equality (I completely understand what the ladies need to do to acquire this, but merely this isn't enough; I'd actually would rather talk about how to actually have all genders created Equal; backing it up by a Tierlist Template on the internet (Does anyone know where to find one? I wanted to use one to show the Goldilocks Effect for females in fiction. I'll try best not to be inappropriate. ;)), Sadly, that's about it for ...
: Knowledge (Given my passion for finding out information on stuff I like ALOT, this is a NO Brainer; plus, Narset 's Center Color is , & Autistic; like I too am Asperger's. Hell even Homunculi, One-Eyed, or something else entirely are usually also this; a byproduct of Alchemy. WotC could've gave a Homunculus Legendary another Eye at least, & they would've gotten away w/ it. Any Alchemist Planeswalkers out there?
Cautious: Especially in the Summer, I always have to watch my own back, as I see things that are real, but nobody else believes me. I really wish more people are like Donald Epps of NUMB3RS fame on this; I mean, he said approach with extreme caution. I'm doing this every day of my life even now. I mean, At least I'm not Pantophobic; Fearing Everything is a true nightmare; Reality itself forces fear down your throat. Really blows if you have this Phobia...
I also believe everything starts as a Blank Slate; AKA Tabula Rasa; also, a name of one of the shortest lived MMO's ever (Did it suck that much? :/). But in all seriousness, you can't just have some Mono/Poly-Theistic Deity(ies) shape something that just ends up being a mere story of whatever Era that Text resides from (Even the Holy Bible is just a bunch of stories anyway, though we got Anime/Manga to learn such things anyway; sorry if I'm being Anti-Semetic; I have no such intention, honest.)
Despite the elements here, I actually don't agree with the Recurring Elements: I'd rather have Reality punch me in the face, I believe in both thought & action, & I believe only the Present exists.
: Self-Interest: Obviously, I'm a Team of One; & I actually wanted to make my own Fighting Game as an aspiring Indie Game Developer of a team of that same one. As for anything Self-Interesting to me, I like Sprite Based Fighters, I promote hate to the Switch for stealing all my favorite Games of this generation, & forcing me to resort to STEAM. Why can't the PS4 pro get anything meaningful anymore when it gets ported to the Switch, or doesn't even get a port also? Geez...
Ambition is another part about my ideas for . If you can put your mind to it, you can basically upgrade the Humanly Possible. In my case, it's making a 2D Fighter w/ Graphical elements not even the Switch can handle in terms of Processing power; but what kind of Custom Gaming PC Build would be needed to match PS5's Console Specs as a whole?
Ego, Superego, & Id. Just look them up; Dr. Freud would've loved it if you know my desires for all 3. XP
Even Self seems to apply to ; even if it seems that somebody awhile back stated I'm just calling out for help. Did I need any? Not even close. I'm learning; albeit VERY SLOWLY as to what I believe my best interests for my decks are. Disagree w/ my deckbuilding ideas, but they seem to fit fine.
: Of course I want to start my Center Color w/ a reference to another fighter; FREE; which was on ol' SoL Badguy's Attire. Freedom can take man forms; Freedom of Expression (Oi, STEAM Staff. you have users from Nippon/Japan that like Hentai. Why the hell would you restrict that to them also?; IT'S A WAY OF LIFE FOR THEM.), Right to Freedom of Speech, this list will go on, so, moving on...
Raw Emotion; Joy, Anger, Sorrow, Asperger's, Meek; heck, you can also say I'm mostly Kuudere; & how I'm quiet, & cold on the outside, but The Who is about to be trampled as I also have more personality traits of Anime/Manga/etc.; & they switch on the fly. So, I can be calm, & reserved one moment, & the next, I'm excited as crap. XD
My Impulsive mind is known for only one thing: Desire to fulfill what ever is needed for whatever situation. If it can't be fulfilled; I'll find another way; but how can impulsive Draw be good in cEDH? Not that I'd want it in anyway, but how would one make Apex of Power ; a HUGE Impulsive Draw Card actually woth playing in Boros? & why WotC should look back at their Dorks in their colors & wonder; Why did we never have a Dork w/: "Add " of the Same for : "Add "? Also, Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero & Eldrazi Displacer now both suck thanks to Hushbringer & Deafening Silence . Any help on cEDH Boros as of current, please?
Carelessness is, sadly, another trait. One shard of my whole set of Personalities is easily this; I'm sluggish IRL, but I'm also someone who talks so much in a reckless manner, one's mentality is inadvertently pushed to the Limit; not just Physically, but also Mentally, & Emotionally. So if I've a lot t say; just hope it's nothing you'd not know;
: Lastly, we got Green; but only believe in one aspect of Spiritism as a whole: Reincarnation. This has me wondering what my next life, or my previous is; & I hope that when WotC makes that Anime/Manga Plane of Existence; it isn't Isekai based in any way; why would anyone be Reincarnated to another MTG Timeline Completely in another Plane of Existence? Utter Nonsense even for me.
And... That's all my traits I can think of? Anyhow, I'm truly sorry for the MAMMOTH Sized Text; I just wanted to see what Legend can be relatable in my mind. But I've just one last question to the user who started (& inadvertently abandoned... D:) this from the start:
@TypicalTimmy: Does Color Identity truly matter about who I should choose for this? I'm NOT going to waste my time making a Custom Card unless I can't find a Legend; Walker, or Creature, that seems to fit most of 7/8 cards of the Spellbook of mine, or at least, a decent amount of traits I mentioned just now. I really hope anyone can think of a Legendary Creature/Planeswalker of such a sort; Even I know Homunculi are created through Alchemy, & don't always have one Eye; but In still wonder if Homunculus Tribal is also possible; but that's for another time...
OKAY, I think I made a GINOURMOUS post all around. Sorry to say, I'm ending it here. Later. I'll be fine tuning my garbage until I get a concrete answer...
1 month ago
Notes from game on 09/08/2019:
- Bloodchief Ascension
- Exsanguinate - took out 3 players simultaneously
- Hex Parasite - OMG belongs in almost any black deck
- Lake of the Dead
- Overwhelming Forces
- Painful Quandary
- Phyrexian Obliterator
- Staff of the Death Magus
- Sword of Light and Shadow
Worth Considering for Removal:
- Arcane Lighthouse - unlikely to need / redundant with Detection Tower
- Lich's Mirror - I made a dumb mistake not paying enough attention to the win condition
- Maralen of the Mornsong (sigh) this was originally her deck
- Ob Nixilis, Unshackled - keep for at least one more round
- Platinum Emperion - belongs in another deck, redundant with Platinum Angel
- Soldevi Digger - very unlikely to need
- The Haunt of Hightower - I want to make this a better card than it really is, but I have to face it.
1 month ago
baleful strix : perfect chump blocker that has deathtouch, lifelink and draw a card (really important) that can become a huge threat quite easily with the amount of ways i can put a counter on it. also cards like Odric, Lunarch Marshal come in handy real quick.
combos: rings + monolith+ walking ballista is the most generic one and just the final sure deal to close out the game and walking ballista can be good on itself alone and so can be rings with planewalkers (use their ability twice for 2 mana)... the real sauce is in other combos like for example: lets say you draw in and over the course of first 4 turns have Crystalline Crawler , Hardened Scales and Spike Weaver or Spike Feeder on the table. at this point all you need is either Pir, Imaginative Rascal , or Doubling Season and boom you have infinite counters and mana. now all you need to do is draw into or tutor for the either Walking Ballista or just full combo. and that can be really easy once you have infinite mana and cards like Braingeyser , Hydroid Krasis , Consecrated Sphinx , etc.. you also have combos with walkers , just simple ramp into 9 mana and you go Doubling Season into Tamiyo, Field Researcher , which gives you ultimate(omniescence) and draw 3 cards, that alone can storm you off into more card draw and free cards to play.you can draw into things like Ugin, the Spirit Dragon , Teferi, Hero of Dominaria or basically any other planewalker .and you can ramp into 9 mana really fast with this deck. like Kiora, the Crashing Wave would seem like a weak planewalker but her -1 draws you a card and ramps you with a land. and you can do that every turn for free since you proliferate her back to 2 and you can abuse that with things like Vampiric Tutor or Enlightened Tutor , Liliana Vess , etc.
it really boils down to the way i (try) to build this deck and that is , that whatever/most of the cards you draw into at the start , can be in some way or another built into insane value engine or straight up combo win. by my experience it can close the game out by turn 8 , 90% of the time if left unchecked, if you get insane hand you can do it by turn 5 to 6 but that rarely happens. In my opinion this deck is 7.5/10 or high powered-casual deck that can hold its own even in more "competitive" pods.
1 month ago
SirChris39 i don't like at all Olivia, Mobilized for War even if Olivia Voldaren is one of my favorite cards in the game, there's no point to make creatures hasty and +1/+1 if the goal of the deck is wordlgorger combo or dualcaster+twinflame combo, Ad Nauseam even if it is indeed one of the best cards in cEDH, i can't recommend it in a deck with so high cmc cost due to the madness cards we use to cycle then deck, it can turn very bad for us in terms of damange taken. Insidious Dreams that's a great card i will consider to add to my mainboard since it can be another Doomsday for just 1 more mana and some cards in hand, all without the doomsday backdraw of exiling every other card from both library and graeyard. The manabase isn't great since the deck aim is to be budget you haven't access to cards like Ancient Tomb and Badland but for sure i will cut 4 mountains and add 4 swamps since you need more black than red. not having access to Mana Crypt is the worst part of playing in budget, since you don't run solid mana acceleratos, you can't get Anje Falkenrath on turn 2 and that's really bad; some budget accelerators for turn 2 anje could be Blood Pet , Skirk Prospector , Jeweled Amulet , Simian Spirit Guide , Dark Ritual . Sadly, if you want to play cEDH on budget, you have to be prepared to hard loses since things like the diamond cycle and Everflowing Chalice are just too slow for the format. The main problem with a deck like anje madness combo is actually his game plan: you can't decide to play the worldgorger dragon combo in a casual way because it is just too good so you have to play it in a competitive way in order to match your opponet's power level because if you bring a combo deck like this against a casual group hug Phelddagrif player, the gameplay would be like a solitary of yourself doing your things with the opponent trying to interact with you in a suboptimal way and that's just not fun, either way, you can't sit at a cEDH table with a deck that is way too slow for the format because you will end up to be eaten by flash+hulk, isocron shepter+drammatic reversal, ad nauseam storm, teferi+chain veil. The solutions to this problem are actually 3 (if i don't forget others but idk): use proxy cards if you don't play sancioned events and if your playgroup allow them, invest some money buying cards and bringing your deck to the required power level or you can remove all the combos and play the deck just like a madness deck at a casual EDH table; i personally don't like this last option but can turn to be a fun archetype to build and play since you can use really strong and fun cards like Bone Miser , Waste Not with all the discard hatebears, Liliana Vess , Yawgmoth, Thran Physician and his son K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth or cards like Praetor's Grasp , Sheoldred, Whispering One and Gonti, Lord of Luxury for some "heavy black deck flavor" or you can even turn it to a full vampire madness tribal with Falkenrath Gorger ! If you want to stick to the good old one Worldgorger Dragon combo, pls don't do it in casual edh but try to tweak at best for cedh instead otherwise you will ruin some random player day without having fun at all, i can say that 100% . Hope i helped you is some way and happy brewing :D
1 month ago
I agree, better tutors such as Demonic Tutor , Vampiric Tutor , and Beseech the Queen are all good. But also, try using the Transmute ability, like on Dimir Machinations . You can find other transmute cards for your deck here: https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[transmute]. I would also add Bloodstained Mire , Evolving Wilds and Prismatic Vista to your deck, but that isn't as necessary as the tutors. Liliana Vess is also a five mana tutor that can be used twice, over two turns, and infinitely if you buff it a bit over time. And the last thing, when you are trying to explain the infinite combos try pressing the icon when your writing that looks like a paper with a folded corner, located above the writing box. Then type in the card you are talking about and it will come out like this: Animate Dead , instead of Animate Dead, that way more people understand the combo. Otherwise, nice work, and if you found any of my suggestions helpful I would appreciate it if you upvote my deck: A Deal With the Devil EDH! Good luck on your deck, and have a nice day. :)
1 month ago
Funkydiscogod I am not sure, for one it would make the deck more expensive, that is the least of the concerns at the moment however. Scheming Symmetry is so good, it would allow for some great combinations however due to both itself and Liliana Vess being sorcery speed it wouldn't allow for advantageous plays really. It would be very clunky and only enable rather than be immediate which is sorta the whole point to miracles.
1 month ago
Liliana Vess occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%