Liliana Vess
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Liliana Vess

Planeswalker — Liliana

+1: Target player discards a card.

-2: Search your library for a card, then shuffle your library and put that card on top of it.

-8: Put all creature cards in all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control.

DemonDragonJ on All Will Be One

3 weeks ago

I have replaced Ring of Three Wishes with Liliana Vess, since she simply has far greater utility than does the ring.

DemonDragonJ on Ring of Three Wishes or …

3 weeks ago

Everyone here has suggested that I choose Liliana Vess, so I shall do that.

DemonDragonJ on Ring of Three Wishes or …

4 weeks ago

I have a copy of Ring of Three Wishes in my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice EDH deck, as that deck is my only deck that can truly utilize that artifact to its fullest potential, but, since I have been reconsidering my inclusion of the ring in some of my other EDH decks, I also am wondering if it is the best card to put into that deck, as well.

One user suggested that I replace the ring with the original Liliana Vess, since one of her abilities is nearly the same as that of the ring, but I would would like to ask the other users of this forum for advice, before I make any decisions, and I shall compare the two cards to assist with that process.

Ring of Three Wishes

+can be used at an time that an instant can be cast, and, with the proper combo, can be used multiple times in a turn cycle

+requires the removal of only a single counter

-costs 5 mana to use, in addition to initial casting cost

-artifact destruction is very prevalent

Liliana Vess

+requires no additional mana after initial cost

+has several other abilities in addition to tutoring ability

-tutoring ability requires removal of two counters, rather than one, meaning that it is not guaranteed that the ability can be used every turn

-card is put atop library, rather into hand (but my Atraxa deck obviously has plenty of methods for drawing cards)

-abilities can be used only at any time that a sorcery can be cast

-/+artifact destruction is more prevalent than is planeswalker destruction, but planeswalkers are vulnerable to damage

What does everyone else say about this subject? Should I replace Ring of Three Wishes with Liliana Vess?

Gidgetimer on How Good is Ring of …

1 month ago

Liliana Vess is pretty good in an Atraxa deck, even better if you can proliferate twice per turn and just make her into an Imperial Seal every turn. I probably should have listed her in the "useful in the right deck" part and mentioned that Atraxa is in fact the right deck for her, so it is a decent choice. The counters synergy isn't what makes a deck "the right deck" for Wishclaw. Voltaic Key-esque abilities are what constitutes "the right deck" for Wishclaw.

I totally understand wanting to keep to a theme and people having fun in different ways. You are however asking (both in this thread and the one on Book of Rass) if cards are "good" and I kinda got caught up in that mindset. Liliana Vess is not a good card, it is a passable card that is good in Atraxa (assuming that people allow you to keep proliferate engines out).

Also, before people jump on me thinking I am trash talking the vast majority of cards, there is nothing wrong with running passable cards that are only good in the context of the deck. Every single one of my decks contains cards that are only good in the context of the deck. In 6/7 the non-lands are mostly passable to bad cards that are good only in context. Personally I find this a much more interesting way to build than "all of my decks of a certain color contain these cards and there are only like 5-7 spots to make it different than any other commander in the same colors".

DemonDragonJ on How Good is Ring of …

1 month ago

In both my Chulane, Teller of Tales deck and my Ghired, Conclave Exile deck, I have replaced Ring of Three Wishes with Shared Summons, since both of those decks focus very strong on creatures, making the latter card an ideal replacement.

In my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck, I am contemplating replace the ring with Liliana Vess, since her second ability is very similar to the ability of the ring; what does everyone else say about that?

DawnsRayofLight on Atraxa Superfriends

5 months ago

As a fellow Atraxa player, I can offer some suggestions if it helps!

38 Lands may be a bit much, you don't want to get flooded. Generally, I am happy when I hit 7 lands on field. and 34 has been enough to make that happen more or less consistently I will attach my list to the bottom, that land base has been extremely consistent in casting a T3-4 Atraxa.

Some suggested adds:

Luminarch Ascension: funny with Atraxa and a good token generator

As Foretold: cast free spells

Contagion Engine: speeds up walkers

Toxrill, the Corrosive: another wipe

Sword of Truth and Justice for Atraxa beatdown

Walkers I like, I do not always run them for their ultimate but their control value:

Kaya the Inexorable: helps with keeping Atraxa recurring and a good removal outlet

Kaya, Ghost Assassin: I was surprised out how good she is in my testing, super annoying to play against

Tezzeret, Artifice Master: His ultimate is super fun and he makes tokens and draws

Elspeth, Sun's Champion: tons of tokens and a board wipe.

Liliana Vess: search

List: Atraxa's Best Friends (why can't she be BUWR?)

DawnsRayofLight on Tergrid Turbo

6 months ago

32 lands seems very on the low end. I would run at least 34 NOT including Agadeem and the other flip land. I would make those are all swamps. Witch's Cottage is also good. Be careful on the utility lands, I found myself needing to drop the land destruction lands for more swamps because I kept getting colourless land hands and couldn't cast anything.

Some card suggestions:

Painful Quandary

Liliana Vess: helps with discard and tutoring

Yawgmoth, Thran Physician for proliferating and other shennanigans

Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Ineffable for some permanent removal

Living Death could be funny

Burglar Rat: another discard on a stick

K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth: can help with ramp, also gets to be a big pain if left alone

Some cards I am iffy on

Cabal Ritual: I am not big on the dark ritual type cards in EDH unless you're running all of them and playing some crazy storm list or what have you.

Skullclamp: not enough targets

That is all I can think of right now, I may be able to think of something after eating.

DrkNinja on Dead Silence

6 months ago

Ok so I didn't check to see if any of these were in the deck already but... here's my list of suggestions!

It's a lot of cards so...

Again some of these may be cut worthy but off the cuff this is what I came up with. Also I didn't include any ninjas... I figure they are easy enough to find

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