Liliana of the Veil

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Standard Brawl Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Liliana of the Veil

Planeswalker — Liliana

+1: Each player discards a card.

-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.

-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of their choice.

BioProfDude on Golgari Gotcha - added a new DSK combo!

2 weeks ago

Bookrook, Anoint with Affliction exiles instead of destroys, so I prefer that in the main.

Replacing Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor with Liliana of the Veil is a possibility, but I really like the card draw we get from Gix. That's just such a strong advantage over Lili. I may miss her -2, though, so we'll see.

Yeah, Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal  Flip is a good card, but I think we get more by trying to keep the mana curve a bit lower. Even in the previous build, I usually ended up holding Aclazotz in hand so I could do other things. Thus, he's not really missed, to be honest. He seemed like the easiest card to cut, at least in my style of play.

Apoptosis on Wheel in the Sky

4 weeks ago

Updated!

Out are cards that help opponents or don't have ideal synergy or add to the major mechanics: Anvil of Bogardan, Horn of Greed, Dictate of Kruphix, Howling Mine, Temporal Mastery, Time Warp, Smoke, Sign in Blood, Mystic Retrieval, Dismal Backwater, Doom Blade, Damnable Pact.

In (reanimation theme and some targets for reanimation): Exhumefoil (not 100% on this one), Soul Exchange (idealy would want one that could target all graveyards), Dance of the Dead, Animate Dead, Liliana of the Veil, Necromancy, Sire Of Insanity (bomb that minimizes opponent's ability to profit from the wheel), Mangara's Tome (I love this as a way to stack all of my reanimation cards, or anything else that I want to protect from my own wheel effects. Curious to see how it plays. The sceptor is included for the same reason), Sepulchral Primordial, Diluvian Primordial, and Molten Primordial.

Need to get an Academy Ruins.

Predator_90 on Grixis Cruel Control

1 month ago

As a grixis deck i think you should run some discard, which is an excellent thing in control deck, cards like Thoughtseize and Liliana of the Veil are almost mandatory. Also Drown in the Loch is exceptional and i'm a fan of Expressive Iteration. I have a more for fun build (Which still aims of being competitive tho) for grixis control, if you wanna check it: Bolas-friends Control

Asder on Zombies of the Winter Moon

4 months ago

Theres a lot of hand disruption, could be worth cutting down on some of that for a bomb like Liliana of the Veil or Sheoldred, the Apocalypse. Also could be worth looking at Case of the Stashed Skeleton instead of Grim Tutor.

SteelSentry on Are Free Spells Becoming Too …

5 months ago

The nontoken clause is really only being used once or twice a set at the most, because edicts are, in general, the weakest form of removal. The strongest edict without that clause was Liliana of the Veil, and she was only in control or midrange shells that were designed to kill everything and strip the opponent of resources. These same sets have had Extract a Confession which is sorcery and requires evidence to be the stronger version, Zoyowa Lava-Tongue, Tithing Blade  Flip,Vraska's Fall, Voracious Fell Beast, Pyretic Prankster  Flip, and Braids, Arisen Nightmare.

If they absolutely have to make free spells, I'm glad they have a real cost so you can't Flare turn 1 off a Khalni Garden or get a free spell with any of the long list of Young Pyromancer effects.

jawz on GBr Rigging Alara

6 months ago

I'm having a lot more fun with this deck than I thought I would. Super janky though. Far too helpless in the first couple turns. But if it hits on turn 4 or 5 it's got real juice.

Tinkered with it a bit. Virtue of Persistence and Toxrill, the Corrosive feel a bit disappointing when I hit them from an Etali or a Rigging. They're weak as control cards too so I felt like swapping in Chaotic Transformation that is also a weak control card but is better at using the underwhelming Insect or Blood tokens from Old Rutstein (and hitting a Portal to Phyrexia from transforming a blood token is a much better control payoff than Toxrill). I almost want two Transformations in the deck but I have a nagging feeling that Gix's Command is important and I don't want to cut one of the other permanents for it.

Liliana of the Veil feels a bit better as a control card. Usually I don't want to discard a card unless I have a Portal in play, but if I have the option of transforming Lili into a Nissa later I can stomach passing without using her abilities for a while if I don't want the discard.

I'm also testing out one Anzrag, the Quake-Mole. It also enables the Rigging trigger on cheap mana, and it's a unique angle of threat that can get bonus Rigging tokens enabled. Olivia, Crimson Bride likes Anzrag too. Atraxa loves getting extra attacks. But even with all that if it's stuck on its own it doesn't have an ability that gets you unstuck like a Sheoldred or a Bramble Familiar or even a Shakedown Heavy can. Could easily be not good enough. The caves work really well. Playing the Invasion of Alara  Flip or hard casting the Atraxa is a bit hard but still consistent if you plan out your land plays carefully. Swapped out a couple Promising Vein for the Volatile Fault as the treasures are better for the deck than the basic land, and the extra ability to kill an opponent's man land is something that the deck might as well have as an option.

But overall this deck just wants to pull off a big Rigging play and then bully the opponent from there as hard as it can. If you need more than spot control to own the combats might as well concede.

legendofa on no hand ever

7 months ago

Once you get your opponent's hand empty, they're probably going to be drawing and playing one cards a turn, so there's no actual discard for Liliana's Caress. Caress wants your opponent to be discarding a lot, which means your opponent needs to refill their hand once in a while. Since this deck looks like it's trying to get the opponents hand empty, rather than constantly discarding, The Rack or Shrieking Affliction would probably be more reliable. If you want to build around Caress, cards like Dark Deal or Baleful Mastery might help here.

Acquisitions Expert is slightly better than Corrupt Court Official, if you want to keep the creature base the same.

Depending on budget, Liliana of the Veil is more reliable discard than Dreamstealer here, and the Orcish Bowmasters in the maybeboard are a good deterrent for, hmm, pretty much everything. Still $60+ each, though.

leon_bulminot on Volrath, Voltron Reanimator

9 months ago

Not sure what you might cut but if you want some help and unblockables, try a Kormus Bell plus something like Filth, you can turn your lands into a constant pinging source of damage.

I would also swap Void Winnower over to your control portion. Big beefy Eldrazi yes but risky to lose until your board is setup. And even then, he has more Utility as control.

I’d also swap Kozileks, if you have Kozilek, the Great Distortion. Lets you turn stuff like Filth into a counter spell and put it in the graveyard where you need it.

Also, Liliana of the Veil is decent but you can get so much more utility out of Liliana Vess for tutoring or, Liliana of the Dark Realms for land tutor and removal. Plus if you ultimate Dark Realms, you get BIG mana bumps, especially to use with Draco. Using 2 lands to keep him around versus 8.

And since you are so sack heavy, a card to not only dole out damage as you summon black creatures but let you sack and draw cards, and a seriously reduced cost, Ayara, First of Locthwain. Could replace 2 or 3 cards with just her.

Final suggestion and honestly, I am surprised with all the sacking you do here that it isn’t even on the maybe board. Blood Artist. All I need to say there lol

As for what to pull out, check your synergy and self interaction with cards. If two or three cards only interact with themselves, you might need to consider dropping them. I’ve been over the deck list but it could go so many different routes for beef sticks beating things down. Just thoughts to consider while looking for things to pull out. Sometimes one card can complete the function of 2 if you have them.

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