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Wash Away
Instant
Cleave (You may cast this for this card's cleave cost. If you do, remove the words in the square brackets from this spell's rules text.)
Counter target spell [that wasn't cast from its owner's hand].
LS-Metr0 on Glarb, lord of the flies
4 months ago
SilentBladeOni we use the cheapest value possible, usually we look at the price from the main page, without taking into consideration cards in really bad state that could be considerably cheaper just because they're ruined. Also, we're a bit flexible with prices: something like Thassa's oracle could still be played, but Rhystic Study is forever banned.
I'd still like to keep some frogs in it just for the flavor, my group plays some really average power level decks, with the best ones being probably an Ellyvere Aura deck and Marrow-gnawer Rats: everyone uses at least a couple of pet cards, so I don't think three frogs will drop my power level.
I really appreciate you helping me with the deck! I was looking at the prices and I think the hardest part to replace is gonna be counterspells (even if cards like Wash Away do usually fine in EDH). I'm curious on the end result!
Rasaru on Octavia
8 months ago
TheCardPool Here is the version I quickly came up w/ based on your list. You'll see that I've made about 10 swaps based on my preferences.
Some of the cards I removed are Cyclonic Rift, Wash Away, Mana Drain, Teferi, Master of Time, Mystical Tutor, Personal Tutor, and so on.
Some of the cards I added are Brazen Borrower, Wavebreak Hippocamp, Traverse Eternity, Rise from the Tides, Glamdring, Runechanter's Pike, and so on.
My group def doesn't normally play tutors or cyc rift. I love bad cards like Rise from the Tides and I'm toying around with trying out Invasion of Segovia Flip, Case of the Ransacked Lab, and Throne Of Eldraine.
I love the animate land sub theme!
Anything else I should know?
What I understand it could change based on the situation, but what do you normally target w/ Intuition?
Have you ever come close to decking yourself? I've never played a cantrip-y deck like this before.
wallisface on Don't
11 months ago
goblin4god the changes/reductions you’ve made so far have all looked great, so I definitely think you’re on the right track!
For specifically getting down to 60 cards, i’d suggest ditching the following 7:
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remove the 2 Talrand, Sky Summoner. You have waay stronger threats already in your deck and this card sits in a weird position of neither posing a massive threat, nor ramping/controlling the boardstate.
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remove the 1 Eldrazi Conscription. It’s overkill when all your big threats easily end the game by themselves.
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remove the 4 Tyvar's Stand. You have enough redundancy you can easily afford to lose a creature or two. And you should have enough control over the lategame to keep your big threat alive without needing this.
After that, here’s some other options worth considering for card swaps - i’ve tried to keep budget in mind.
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Mana Leak is better than Negate - opponents will almost never have the mana to pay the cost, and it hits a much wider breadth of cards.
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Wash Away is clumsy, and expensive to play the cleave cost. I’d be running Witness Protection instead so you can ruin any of your opponents threats that get into play.
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Dispel is very situational, i’d probably swap it for 2 copies of Spell Pierce and 2 copies of Spell Snare - both cards which have a bit more universal use.
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Shark Typhoon is super strong for both offering you early game card draw, and late game free-win-condition. If you have the $$$ i’d be running 3 total (swapping out 2 of your other big-threat cards).
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if you want stronger card draw, Preordain will probably offer more overall value than Opt.
Good luck with the brew! :)
TheOfficialCreator on Barrin, Tolarian Tokenmage
2 years ago
Wash Away and Decanter of Endless Water might have a place in this deck :)
DawnsRayofLight on Ur Mama, Mother of Dragons
2 years ago
I definitely think Ancient Brass Dragon has a spot, it could help you reanimate your dragons (as well as whatever you grab from your opponents), I would maybe add that and maybe Goldspan Dragon
Three Visits and Nature's Lore over Cultivate.
Damn over Toxic Deluge
Augur of Autumn might be better than Realmwalker
Drop Aggravated Assault, Aura of Silence, Stinging Study (you have a good chunk of draw as it is), Imposing Grandeur, Spit Flame (there are better cards)
Mana Drain is nice, but I am usually not a fan of it in a deck with 4 or more colors
With this being 5 color, I am trying to debate the best early game package
maybe:
5 counterspells (from below)
An Offer You Can't Refuse, Swan Song, Wash Away, Dovin's Veto, Counterflux, Render Silent, Disallow
4-5 board wipes
Damn, Cyclonic Rift, Winds of Abandon, Supreme Verdict, Crux of Fate
7 2 drop ramps (need all)
Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Farseek, Three Visits, Nature's Lore, Bloom Tender, Coiling Oracle,
4 spot removal
Anguished Unmaking, Assassin's Trophy, Despark, Beast Within, Generous Gift, Fracture, Bedevil, Abrupt Decay
Balaam__ on Temur OOF
2 years ago
A quick glance reveals some concerns. I think this can certainly be shaped into a solid deck, but for now it seems a bit too unfocused. I believe the main strategy is to grow powerful creatures through +1/+1 counters, which is totally viable, but the concerns arise from a lot of spells in the deck that either don’t contribute to that gameplan or else are simply outclassed by similar spells in the format.
Cards like Jace's Erasure have no synergy with anything else, while Wash Away is outclassed by Counterspell. Djinn Illuminatus is simply far too expensive (mana wise) to ever see play, and the Replicate ability will be useless.
My recommendation would be to firmly commit to one thing you’d like the deck to do very well, and then only include cards that synergize with your strategy. Lastly, instead of 1 or 2 of a bunch of different cards, settle for 3 or 4 copies of a particularly good card. It’ll improve consistency.
azja on Yuriko (Optimized) Primer
2 years ago
Hey Spirits, sounds like your games went well!
To add to your last comment, Mystic Sanctuary only triggers if you have 3+ other islands, so it's probably not worth it with a Tainted Pact mana base. Also, in my past couple games I've had issues with Sunken Hollow coming in tapped, so I think I'll replace it with City of Brass like you mentioned.
You're right about Thousand-Faced Shadow, it's been treating me very well so far.
Wash Away isn't bad, but there's just so many good counterspells in edh I don't think it makes the top 10-ish that we would want to run.
I'm currently trying 32 lands, and it's felt good so far. But I tend to run 1-2 more lands than most lists I've seen, so I think 30 is a good number too.
As for the extra turn spells, I don't have a sure-fire way to win other than tutoring Draco/Blinkmoth Infusion on top if my opponents are low enough. But I've found that the 2-3 extra Yuriko triggers you get by taking an extra turn put you very far ahead, even if the damage isn't enough to be lethal.
Spirits on Yuriko (Optimized) Primer
2 years ago
azja,
I've only played 5 cEDH games so far (won 2 lost 3).
If you ignore the ninjitsu ability on Thousand-Faced Shadow, it's really a better Mothdust Changeling.
Any thoughts on Wash Away? I really can't tell, to counter a commander, or anything impulse cast like s Jeska's Will or Dauthi Voidwalker etc.? Multi-use at MV3.
I'm at 29 lands, hasn't been an issue yet, thinking of going to 30? I'm also short an Imperial Seal really need that card in here unfortunately.
I run Doomsday only tried to win that way once, was counterspell though (too bad).
Temporal Mastery and Temporal Trespass have been great, is there any way to turn them into an immediate win though?