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Creature — Thrull
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay . If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
Whenever Treasury Thrull attacks, you may return target artifact, creature, or enchantment card from your graveyard to your hand.
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Treasury Thrull Discussion
2 weeks ago
Well of Lost Dreams is solid card draw in a lifegain deck. Angelheart Vial is actually not great, but it at least fits the theme. Necropotence might be good here, since you've got ways to kill it and ways to gain more life so you don't end up locked out of drawing cards. I don't see a lot of ways to take advantage of your graveyard, so Skeletal Scrying is a solid option. And there's several other one-shot card-drawing spells in black you could take advantage of - Night's Whisper, Ambition's Cost, Ancient Craving, Hoarder's Greed.
This isn't exactly card draw, but Whip of Erebos is awesome with your commander and it might be worth an include because of that. If you let Obzedat go to the graveyard when it dies, you can just Whip it back on your turn. At the end of the turn, as long as you stack Obzedat's exile trigger on top of Whip's, you'll get your Obzedat back like normal. Whip won't interfere with Obzedat's exile trigger. If you do go this route, you probably want to make sure to have a few more ways to get Obzedat out of your graveyard, whether it's exile or Raise Dead or reanimation. Nezumi Graverobber is a classic Commander card and could be sweet.
How about some creature cuts? I'd cut:
- Serra Avatar because you have no way to give it evasion, so it's just going to get chumped by Squirrels
- High Priest of Penance because you don't have ways to abuse it, so it's just a really awkward Vindicate that often won't work
- Treasury Thrull because casting a six-mana 4/4 feels so bad and even if it lives a round so it can attack, it's very likely to get blocked by something that will kill it
- Hokori, Dust Drinker because this deck is full of 5-, 6- and 7-drops and it doesn't have a lot of artifact mana or Seedborn Muse or Sword of Feast and Famine to make the effect less symmetrical. Against decks with more ramp or a lower curve, Hokori is a liability.
3 weeks ago
I would remove either Thrull Parasite or Treasury Thrull, as they have bad synergy with Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder, and I'd replace them with a copy of Oketra's Monument, as it creates more dudes to sacrifice.
2 months ago
It's a good start, but I see some room for improvement. Some suggestions:
Erebos, God of the Dead : for card draw, life gain denial and a beefy indestructible blocker.
Tree of Perdition : Beefy blocker, could be a win-con and become a much bigger blocker.
Test of Endurance : Straight up win-con.
Archangel of Thune: Pumps up all your creatures when you gain life and has lifelink. Almost a win-con by itself.
Serra Ascendant: Immediately a 6/6 Lifelink flyer when you put em down, and can be a win-con early enough in the game.
Ordeal of Heliod: Puts counters on your creatures, gains you 10 life and since you're already running Sun Titan, has recursion.
True Conviction : Doublestrike and lifelink to all your creatures. Nuff Said.
Approach of the Second Sun: Gains you life and is an looming win-con that will have your opponents counting cards.
Treasury Thrull: Extort and has the ability to recur from your graveyard.
Righteous Confluence : A versatile options card, bare minimum, you gain 15 life for 5 mana.
Alhammarret's Archive : Double life gain and card draw...why not?
Elixir of Immortality : Your backup panic button if things go south. 5 life and rescue your graveyard.
Vault of the Archangel : A backup means to gain life and possibly gain control of board state. Also shows if your opponents are paying attention to all of your board state.
As far as swaps go:
Panharmonicon : A card I have really been enjoying since it's release. Works great with stuff like your Sun Titan, and Ashen Rider, or Angel of Despair. Also pairs really nicely with Mimic Vat if you got room.
Just some ideas from my experience play ultra life gain. Have fun!
2 months ago
Like what I am seeing here! Chipping away at opponents, going for the bit more drawn out games, vibes very well with my own playing style :) There's only a couple of things I would change:
I would still add either a few more (mana) artifacts or ways to cheat in some more lands. Mostly, because quite a few of your creatures are expensive to cast. In terms of artifacts, I was thinking Pearl Medallion, Jet Medallion, Worn Powerstone or Thran Dynamo. For some more land cheating, I was thinking about Burnished Hart, Solemn Simulacrum or in case you're feeling saucy, Weathered Wayfarer.
From your description I gather you really like extort. How about adding some more extort stuff then? Helps with chipping away at your opponents, and fuels you with the life you need to use some more of your creatures' /artifacts' special abilities. Some great stuff you could think about: Basilica Screecher, Tithe Drinker, Treasury Thrull or even Pontiff of Blight.
3 months ago
I too have enjoyed this list, though there are a few things I would like to possibly suggest, what with C17, HOU ect ect
Hammer of Nazahn - First and foremost: Additional indestructibility for a creature. Second: Equipment that gives a boost. Third, and probably most importantly: another Sigarda's Aid type effect. Hammer can auto equip to a creature, and whenever more equipment enters, it can pop onto them as well (as long as you can target them!)
Crested Sunmare - You had described getting life on other people's turn; what better way to "weaponize" it or "get out of control" than to get an indestructible 5/5 at the end of each of the turns? Even if they board wipe, you STILL have an army of 5/5's (the way the game sees it, if you board wipe, everything has a "destroy" effect on it, and the horses still have indestructible during resolution, meaning you love everything BUT the tokens you made). This gives you the ability to block (lets say you swing a creature with life link or have a creature enter with a Soul Sister out) after swinging a creature or just to begin getting a huge army!
Kokusho, the Evening Star - I like Noxious Gearhulk, but part of my "concern" is flyers. With your list specifically, you have about 4 flyers and no Ghostly Prison like effects. Sure, its a life gain deck, but that still doesn't help if its all flying or an army of Craterhoof Behemoth buffed creature's are attacking all of us. Kokusho, the Evening Star also synergizes with Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim, being able to sac him to not only gain life/exile something, it will also be able to drain opponent's for life, EVEN if we can't gain life. People won't necessarily want to attack with him out either, cause based on what I've seen there are quite a few ways to recur creature's here.
Ajani Steadfast - Maybe its just me, but I like the idea of Ajani Steadfast. Not only does it give +1/+1, Vigilance, First Strike AND Lifelink (again, assuming we can target our creatures), but it can also be used to put counters on ALL of our creatures (even IF we can't target our Karlov or other creatures). The Ult is pretty game winning, but I dunno how often you'll get there tbh.
Cast Out - You had mentioned using Return to Dust to be able to exile what you need or if something like Erebos, God of the Dead is copied or stolen from you, Cast Out is an instant speed use to be able to get rid of said object. In a pinch, you can also Cycle it. Can also have GREAT synergy with Treasury Thrull, since you can cycle, attack, and bring it back to your hand and STILL have the ability to cast it later on. Return to Dust IS a great card. But the problem is it only target's artifacts and enchantments. Sure, if you cast it on your turn you can get two things...but you are likely wanting to do it at EOT before you untap anyway. And, if they steal your Erebos or anything and blow up the Cast Out, all of the abilities "return it to its owner's control" (since cards never really remember who "owned" them. Sort of like Marchesa, the Black Rose.)
I think a new card that can REALLY shut down the deck, without even stopping the "life gain" part of the deck itself is Solemnity. This card just HOSES Karlov's "control" strategy and "Voltron" (in the sense of him getting out of hand) strategy. Stops your Archangel of Thune, Sunscorch Regent and, as mentioned, Karlov himself. Might not seem like much, but basically your commander is now a vanilla 2/2 that is likely going to be dealing smaller amounts of damage to try and kill that player that played Solemnity, or you will be getting rid of it ASAP.
An interesting couple of cards in the deck that I'm curious about, starts off with Leonin Shikari. I can understand the idea and synergy with Lightning Greaves, since you can just "counter" any "targeted removal" cards, but beyond that, is it really needed for other things like Sword of X and Y, Boots/Cloak and Warhammer? I am just curious how it has performed and if it really is worth an inclusion.
Umezawa's Jitte - I can get behind it, but I'm wondering if it's really worth the price tag. As mentioned, Solemnity turns it off quickly, and the creature has to deal damage (yes, I understand it is easy to do, but not if they sac it in response to damage or anything). I can also get behind picking off utility creatures, and the ability to tutor it up with the equipment tutors in the deck, but wouldn't Whip of Erebos be more..."explosive"? Karlov likes having multiple triggers of lifegain right? So Karlov with Jitte, getting two counters each time you remove counters, or blocking or even attacking with, lets say 2-3 creatures, you immediately just add 4-6 counters. Additionally, the recursion effect could be something you REALLY need to do. You recur Ayli so you can Vindicate something so you can gain life or can go off more easily. You can't get that same effect with Jitte.
Tragic Arrogance/Cataclysmic Gearhulk - These ones really through me for a loop. You really want to try and keep your board presence, so why would you get rid of the most of it? Fumigate gives you something else in addition to board wiping, but these two cards don't stop Karlov from being sacrificed. As well, if you got your Greaves and Swords and stuff out, I wouldn't want to lose them, unless its a "I need to wipe the board or die" sort of thing (like you are going up against a Daretti deck and you just gotta get rid of all of the artifacts or you die, or Breya player is tapped out without a way to counter your spells). I can get behind cards that help with the "voltron" strategy, but I just feel like it would be better to make Karlov and a Soul Sister or something else important indestructible, then board wipe and still have a bunch of things and can swing in. Sort of like an In Garruk's Wake, but you lose some things too.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the matter are and to hear a good discussion!
3 months ago
Kambal is a great commander. I like how you are aiming for drawn out games in which players will cast themselves to death :) There are however, some changes I would like to propose:
change three or four of your lands for additional mana rocks or land tutoring; that will increase the speed of your deck somewhat. Good mana rocks would be Fellwar Stone, Worn Powerstone and Thran Dynamo. Pearl Medallion and Jet Medallion could also prove useful. In terms of land tutoring, I find Oreskos Explorer and Weathered Wayfarer to be exceptionally good, although the latter is not a cheap card.
you have several cards that force your opponents' creatures to enter the battlefield tapped. Royal Assassin would combine very well with that.
If you have Illness in the Ranks on the battlefield, Storm Herd becomes useless to you. I always try to prevent these kind of things in my own decks. I would recommend replacing one of these with something else.
I presume the main reason for adding Angel of Jubilation, is her secondary power. Her primary one seems a bit weird in this deck, considering almost 50% of your creatures are black.
I think your deck could become even more of a nuisance for your opponents if you would add some more extort effects. Ideas on this front: Treasury Thrull, Tithe Drinker, Syndic of Tithes and Pontiff of Blight.
3 months ago
You should probably aim for Tainted Remedy rather than False Cure. It can be tricky leaving the mana open rather than being able to just fire and forget.
Since your deck's aiming for a long, grindy game, you might be interested in cards like Treasury Thrull, Phyrexian Reclamation, Phyrexian Arena, Debtors' Knell, Emeria Shepherd, Blind Obedience and the like.
3 months ago
Hey there! Cool deck you have here! I have a few budget suggestions for you:
- Merciless Eviction
- Orzhov Signet
- Treasury Thrull
- Drana's Emissary
- Bloodgift Demon
- Obzedat, Ghost Council
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel
- Ashen Rider
- Angel of Despair
- Archfiend of Depravity
- Death Grasp
- Obzedat's Aid
- Sign in Blood
- Revoke Existence
- Forsake the Worldly
- End Hostilities
- Sol Ring
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Underworld Connections
If you'd like some more detailed comments and/or suggestions, feel free to leave a comment on my profile! Hope this helps, and enjoy!