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Creature — Human Nomad
Echo *(At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.) *
When Avalanche Riders enters the battlefield, destroy target land.
Avalanche Riders Discussion
2 weeks ago
The battle I've always had with heartless decks is that without it a lot of the deck becomes dead weight. Semblance Anvil does a bunch to fix that, but it still hits some major headaches in the reliability front.
To combat that, I'd look at making a backup plan- personally I'd run Slag Fiend and Zombie Infestation to give a 'none of this is helpful, I'm gonna hit you in the face' option, but that can be less than appealing when you have to make the choice turn two on whether to abandon your hand entirely.
1 month ago
PlatinumOne "'modern counterspells cost 3 mana, or 2 mana with a downside' and 'wotc is anti-land destruction', I'd have to see sources before I believe those."
Bro... do you even play modern? Even the lands that blow up other lands either replace the destroyed land with a basic ( Ghost Quarter ) or have a cost of at least to activate. Tectonic Edge is an exception, but that qualifies more as "land management" than "land destruction" considering that you have to leave your opponent with at least 3 lands. Smallpox / Boom come in at , but they're symetrical, and Assassin's Trophy replaces the destroyed land with a basic (which sort of defeats the point), so again, not exactly in the spirit of "wotc supports carte-blanche land destruction for 2 mana". Fulminator Mage lets you destroy non-basics for and Cryoclasm / Blood Moon / Choke are all hate cards against certain kinds of lands, but again your opponent gets around it by playing not the kind of land you're hating on, so it's not "true" land destruction. True land destruction (of the "Destroy target land. That's it." variety) TYPICALLY comes in at with cards like Craterize , Creeping Mold , and Avalanche Riders , but Molten Rain and Rain of Tears do exist at . Even with that, modern doesn't have any COMPETITIVE lists built around pure land destruction, which should tell you something about the support (or lack thereof) that WotC has been giving land destruction as a strategy compared with other strategies since 8th edition.
As for counter-spells, the first counter magics you can play which can target ANYTHING (meaning aren't faced with some restriction such as
which all fit the slot) are
and their ilk in the slot. The ONLY exception to this is
, but that's in white and sees next to no modern play, even in U/W control.
The first point blank "counter target spell and it goes to the yard" spells come in at with cards like Cancel , Dissolve , Dissipate , and their ilk.
If you would still like a source, here is mtgtop8's modern breakdown, which you will notice features no land destruction, and exactly 0 decks which use any "unconditional counter spells" which cost or less. The reason is that Land Destruction isn't competitively viable, and no carte blanche counters exists for less than ! If they did, the modern community would have found them by now, but instead, we find that WotC doesn't support these concepts and has been very careful not to print any cards that violate these patterns!
Welcome to modern by the way.
3 months ago
@apohl13, Absolutely! The thing I love about the list is that it's very flexible and you can remove pieces that are less important to you very easily. Here are some one's I'd recommend looking at if you want to find room for Pentavus
Avalanche Riders - if you don't have much need for land destruction in your meta, this is easily replaceable. It can be a wincon in and of itself, but I know some people really like to avoid LD altogether
Corpse Connoisseur - I go back and forth on this card a lot. Sometimes it's amazing with a recursion engine active, and sometimes it's just an Anger fetcher. Either way, I tend to stick with it cause I like it, but I could see arguments for skipping it.
Gonti, Lord of Luxury - fun card that makes use of your opponent's decks, but isn't necessarily needed. Though he can be a nice backup wincon with infinite mana and a Digger Loop.
Pilgrim's Eye - one of the weaker mana ramp flips.
Hope that gives you some good replacement ideas. And as you mentioned, Kitesail Freebooter isn't a good replacement since you can't abuse the ETB/LTB trigger like you can with Mesmeric Fiend to permanently remove every players hand at instant speed.
3 months ago
5 months ago
Kitsune sounds okay.
For the creatures, I have no problem dropping Ogres. To work around the land destruction CMC requirements, I think low-cost akki would be general permanent destruction/forced sac (Akki Underminer) and land sac for benefit (Akki Avalanchers), and higher-up ones would be the targeted land destruction. As a rough eyeball, maybe for a etb Stone Rain on a 2/2 creature? Comparing to Avalanche Riders.
Ogres out, Kitsune in, Humans pretty balanced through the colors. I like it.
seshiro_of_the_orochi Snake Ninja. Yes. Do you have any special reason for why Sultai ninjas might be wrong, or is it just a gut feeling?
Am I completely taking over this thread?
5 months ago
You're also gonna need some land destruction just in case someone drops a Maze of Ith or Kor Haven. If Strip Mine and Dust Bowl are out of your budget range, then Tectonic Edge isn't bad, and Field of Ruin and Ghost Quarter aren't too bad either. Maybe even Avalanche Riders if you want to keep up the creature theme
6 months ago
If it's land destruction it's too mean. Still, it could be meaner... Maybe Molten Rain instead of Pillage and Avalanche Riders instead of Cosmic Larva; you don't have to win big if your deck is this oppressive. I would also consider Akki Blizzard-Herder and Crack the Earth (If you get rid of the Cosmic Larva you can free up some land slots and add some more gas to keep up the pressure. If you want it to feel a little less one-sided you could consider Steam Vines and Shivan Wumpus, but it would be, strictly speaking, worse. This seems like a cool, all or nothing deck. Should be fun to play every once-in-a-while.
6 months ago
I think you need an Eternal Scourge for this deck.
AH HA! I finally see figured out what this deck is really needing. More punch.
Specifically, this deck should be maximizing the 'creature enters the battlefield' effects.
You are creature one or more token copies of a creature.
Those creatures should not just sit there looking at you like an idiot. Make those token work.
I know that the token come into play tapped and attacking, but by using the ETB triggers those tokens will be doing double duty.
Another thing I noticed while looking at what other people are doing with this deck is the use of +1/+1 counters to power things.
Not sure if that is a direction this deck need to go, so I'm not going to use that too much.
With that new idea in mind, lets look at some swaps.
OUT: Budoka Gardener, Charnelhoard Wurm, Emissary of Grudges, Indulgent Tormentor, Rubblehulk, Scute Mob, Scuttling Doom Engine, Seedborn Muse, Zendikar Incarnate
Not sure about: Loyal Apprentice, Loyal Guardian, Loyal Subordinate, Rampaging Baloths
IN, with no particualr order:
(I'm going to list more cards than we take out so that you have some options to consider.)
Wood Elves, note that the Forest does not have to be a basic Forest. We can fecth a dual or shock land.
Eternal Witness, to get back any other card.
Greenwarden of Murasa, another option for card recursion.
Solemn Simulacrum, land fetch and card draw ine one.
Broodmate Dragon, because dragons.
Garna, the Bloodflame, for more graveyard recursion.
Fleshbag Marauder and/or, Merciless Executioner to help control the board. We can use the sac
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord, fattie with life draining ability.
Mindslicer, so that we can make people's lives suck.
Pilgrim's Eye, land search and flying chump blocker. the poor man's Solemn Simulacrum
Hoarding Dragon, because it never hurts to get useful artifacts.
Netherborn Phalanx, this one has always been good to me in group games. Really punishes the token player.
Puppeteer Clique, so that we can eat and exile opponenet's creatures.
Dire Fleet Daredevil, why not cast other people's spells?
Balustrade Spy, screw your deck.
Avalanche Riders, screw your land.
Sadistic Hypnotist, screw your hand.
Entomber Exarch, give us some nice options. It is a bit weak, but useful and cheap.
Bogardan Hellkite, becuase damage is almost always good. But I'm not sure about the mana cost on this one.
Molten Primordial, let's use our sacrifice outlets on other peoples stuff.
Viscera Seer, so that we can filter the top deck when we sacrifice creatures.
Hornet Queen, tokens making tokens, now with deathtouch.
Feldon of the Third Path, create tokens of creatures that don't get exiled.
Kresh the Bloodbraided or Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper as alternate commanders and good creatures.
Not creatues but need to be in the deck:
Warstorm Surge, let's turn each token into direct damage in addition to it's ETB.
Path of Discovery, why not explore the deck?
Evolutionary Leap, I'm not sure about this one, I like the ability to fetch more creatues from the deck, but we may need more dicard outlets to really make this work for use.
Goblin Bombardment, cheap to cast, multiple uses, may help finish off the last opponent.
So, let me know what you think.
Great. Thanks. Now after helping you with this deck, I'm going to have to finish my jund deck. I'll see if I can get my list up in a couple of days.
Avalanche Riders occurrence in decks from the last year
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