Creature — Human Wizard
Inspired — Whenever Pain Seer becomes untapped, reveal the top card of your library and put that card into your hand. You lose life equal to that card's converted mana cost.
|Have (2)||gildan_bladeborn , metalmagic|
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|Born of the Gods (BNG)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Latest Decks as Commander
Pain Seer Discussion
3 days ago
Hey, you're welcome.
There's 12 rogues here for the party, but only 5 clerics, 4 Warriors and 1 Wizard. These ratios of party members will make it difficult to have much mana cost reduction for Zagras especially Wizards. My advice is make these numbers more even to give you more chances to have different party members on the battlefield at once. Changeling Outcast is a budget one drop party member who can be any creature type you choose for party and it's unblockable which has good interaction with several tribal combat damage effects.
Budget Wizards to consider adding:
- Blood Cultist, Fireslinger: more pingers with deathtouch.
- Pain Seer, Magus of the Wheel, Grim Haruspex: draw.
There's some party members who could be upgraded to better budget creatures especially the Warriors:
- Goblin Chainwhirler > Carnage Gladiator
- Azra Oddsmaker > Brawl-Bash Ogre
- Mindblade Render > Rakdos Roustabout
- Oona's Blackguard > Blood Burglar
Blood Beckoning could be upgraded to Nullpriest of Oblivion who is a two drop Cleric or if you cast with kicker you can reanimate any creature in your graveyard. Beckoning doesn't reanimate it recurs the creature/creatures to your hand which is a big difference. Searing Barrage could be upgraded to any Wizard party member because this removal spell is not needed as it's the least good and costs the most mana for what it does.
Some cards to consider cutting:
- Pyroclastic Hellion
- Lash of Thorns
- Inordinate Rage
- Barge In
- Avatar of Fury
- Nearheath Stalker
- Bloodsworn Steward
- Blazing Specter
- Gnat Alley Creeper
- Duskmantle Operative
- Crashing Drawbridge
- Ashenmoor Liege
Pump spells that only pump one creature one time such as Infuriate are subpar in Commander especially when you can only cast them once. If the spell pumped all creatures you control, protected the creature from removal or it made the creature have huge power with evasion then that's different, but the pump spells here don't do that. More draw is more impactful than pump.
2 months ago
Grothama is a pet card of mine, and even though it isn't the best piece of card-draw we have, I still consider it good enough for our purposes. The idea is, we have Hogaak out and ready to swing, but instead of swinging at one of our opponents, we fight Grothama, All-Devouring right after we play it. This will draw us eight, just like our other card draw spells. Unfortunately, it takes Hogaak out in the process, but drawing eight hopefully gives us the means of getting him back before our turn is done.
Yeah, the Pain Seer thing is because of budget, but in this case, it isn't that far off from the real thing; Our commander gives us the means of tapping him down at will (kind of. Almost). If you can afford Bob, definitely go for him. Because of our lower curve, we don't care too much about the lifeloss.
Good luck with that build of yours. Glad to know this list has been helpful!
2 months ago
Great deck. I,ve been brewing with Hogaak with little success, but I think I will use some of your ideas to approach this guys again.
I have some questions I would like to ask you
1 - Why Grothama, All-Devouring? I see some interactions with it, but isn't too risky?
2 - Pain Seer instead of Bob? Is this a decision based on budget, or do you want to have more control in you life loss?
3 months ago
That's cool! I've dipped my toes in the Inspired mechanic a little bit with King Macar, the Gold-Cursed, but I never checked Scryfall for all the potential Inspiring creatures. I think Pain Seer is definitely worth a try. Budget Bob is nothing to scoff at. It's cheap, it's a creature and it draws. That's what this deck needs.
Thanks man! Now, that you mention it, I'll put Dark Confidant in the Maybeboard for anyone who has the cash. Awesome stuff!
3 months ago
Thank you for sharing this awesome deck. I love hogaak as he is such an unusual commander as you can't cast him with mana.
Another card I have been considering and testing a bit is Pain Seer. I'm getting quite some value from this card with tapping it for hogaak. Don't know if you considered this card yet but might be worth taking a look as it is a cheaper Dark Confidant.
5 months ago
Drag to the Underworld is good in anything exclusively black. With the number of one drops you are playing, you might consider including Shadow Alley Denizen for more evasion. For good two drops, Kitesail Freebooter helps deal with opposition boardwipes that this deck can be susceptible to. Otherwise some card advantage may be needed. A couple Pain Seer, Glint-Sleeve Siphoner, or Blood Scrivener may be good for that. You could also replace one of your various one drops for Foulmire Knight. They are all certainly better than Scrapheap Scrounger because that card doesn't play well with the other cards that recur themselves and it removes from your devotion count if you choose to play any cards with it like Gray Merchant of Asphodel. Drana, Liberator of Malakir is a great way to buff your whole team considering you go pretty wide. Murderous Rider is removal on a stick to add to the copies of Fatal Push. Also, you have no way to recur Deathless Knight, so maybe look at other undercosted beaters like Pitiless Horde, Rotting Regisaur, or Master of the Feast. If you want to stick to the haste theme though, Yahenni, Undying Partisan is excellent.
9 months ago
Hey Iniallator98 thanks for the upvote! Ya there's unfortunately not a great way I can think of to replace what the Disciple does, but Pain Seer makes for a decent plan B since it uses the same engine & can act as sort of a Dark Confidant . I'd probably describe the strategy in that case as being more of a grindy tempo approach than straight control, as you'd want to use the card advantage Pain Seer provides to keep your hand stocked with answers while Smuggler's Copter and/or Hydroid Krasis go over the top. I tried to choose cards for the removal suite that are situational enough to give Disciple a wide array of answers, but still flexible enough individually to keep the number of dead cards in hand without Disciple to a minimum, so it can hopefully play that grindy style if needed. The other side of the coin is that you can see a lot of cards via Pain Seer & Copter, making it more likely to get a Disciple.
If you have any ideas for how to make it more consistent though, I'm all ears!
10 months ago
- Arbiter of the Ideal - free stuff in Phenax.
- Daring Thief gives you a Switcheroo every turn.
- Pain Seer and Siren of the Silent Song are similar.
- King Macar, the Gold-Cursed lets you exile every turn.
Non-Phenax ways to untap stuff: