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Disciple of Deceit
Creature — Human Rogue
Inspired - Whenever Disciple of Deceit becomes untapped, you may discard a nonland card. If you do, search your library for a card with the same converted mana cost as that card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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Disciple of Deceit Discussion
1 month ago
Hey, always wanted to try a Phenax deck myself. Given his tap for mill ability seems like it would be your most consistent mill effect, why not try some cards that gain bonus from tapping like these cards with "inspired" ability: Arbiter of the Ideal, Daring Thief, Disciple of Deceit, King Macar, the Gold-Cursed, Servant of Tymaret, Siren of the Silent Song, and Sphinx's Disciple would be some good ones to look into.
Any good walls would also work for your commanders ability and there are numerous merfolk that have mill abilities (pretty sure most are budget friendly).
Also things that untap your creatures are a godsend (get it?). Paradox Engine and Staff of Domination are the most powerful ones I can think of, but probably not budget friendly. Otherwise there's Magewright's Stone, Umbral Mantle, and Sword of the Paruns as some other options. Blue also has a ton of untap effects, too.
As for what to take out?....Well to be honest, I think I listed too many things. I guess just think of these things as ideas to ponder on. I would suggest removing Tetzimoc, Primal Death for King Macar, the Gold-Cursed though for your creature removal.
3 months ago
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@truble and thank you for the deck!
3 months ago
Thank you for doing this! Here is my deck:
It is a Disciple of Deceit deck that is Combo Control. I intend for it to be competitive/tuned.
4 months ago
First, I appreciate the answer, thanks! Also, my apologies for not having any actual suggestions for your deck, but you basically covered all the bases that I normally check already, so, good job there. =D
Now, allow me to pick your brain a bit more, please. What if I told you my plan was not to win via infinite combo, but rather to win via voltroning and commander damage? Do you feel as if Disciple of Deceit is ill-suited to such a task? I agree going the combo-route would be more fragile, because combos can be interacted with at many steps and therefor neutralized. I messed around with making it control at first, but that's A) not my strong suit, and B) not a very exciting deck to play, imho, because it would inevitably revolve around one or two repetitive combos. Recently I thought a toolbox/voltron strategy would be the best way to abuse her. Transmute up whatever equipment you need to get combat damage in on your opponents.
I can be VERY stubborn with my "pet cards" though, so I'm not sure if I'm grasping at straws here, or just fully exploring my options, sometimes, but I feel like it can be fun and effective. I appreciate the thoughts of a fellow Dimir player very highly. Thanks in advance for your time!
4 months ago
Gattison Thanks a bunch for the feedback. Let me give you some insight on my experiences here.
I personally love Disciple of Deceit. Here's my issue: This deck works once, and once only. Once you pull off your infinite combo and win again, the whole point of the deck is exposed, and your play group will NEVER let you pull off such strategies again. You're stuck in a "one trick pony" situation. You will always be the target, when the deck itself isn't overly powerful anyway.
If you want to utilize methods for tutoring,look up cards with "Transmute." I find that with using another powerful commander such as Psychatog, I have more variability in my game play.
I hope that helps. If you're ever looking for more information on deck techs, or deck helps, come join us at the PDH Home Base Discord!
5 months ago
Hello there! great deck, and I love Dimir!
Questions for you though, if you don't mind (with a quick story first, lol): I'm tweaking a similar deck behind Disciple of Deceit. Recently I almost swapped her out for Bane Alley Broker, but realized it would change the deck too much, and also seemed slower.
Your Commander however does seem very similar to what I'm in the process of doing with Disciple of Deceit. Did you consider Disciple at all? What are your thoughts on the two? It seems like my Commander just got outclassed, lol. X)
Sorry for quizzing you like this. You can answer at your leisure. =P =)
5 months ago
Hey i've been trying to make Disciple of Deceit work in a modern deck and this looks sweet. I would suggest getting rid of alot of the green cards in place of more discard like Duress or Kitesail Freebooter and run a playset of Paradise Mantle and some more removal and counter spells. If you can get Freed from the Real + Paradise Mantle on either Night Market Lookout or Siren of the Silent Song it combo kills much like the other green cards but easier on your mana base.