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Mirkwood Spider
Creature — Spider
Deathtouch
Whenever Mirkwood Spider attacks, target legendary creature you control gains deathtouch until end of turn.
Headers13 on
Power and Poison
2 months ago
rwn1971 on
Buttercup: Princess Bride
6 months ago
It's down to Mirkwood Spider and Wasteland Viper for me as a 1/1 flying deathtouch creature i would not want to get rid of. Thinking about it i probably take out Wasteland Viper as his ability is not that good compared to Spider i think.
Darb_the_Bard on
Buttercup: Princess Bride
6 months ago
rwn1971 Your criticism of Skullwinder is fair. I agree that in a 1-on-1 situation it can feel bad. However, with 2 or more opponents it becomes a political card and you have the potential to make a beneficial deal with whichever opponent gets the card. Of course, if you are the archenemy then it may be that no opponent will cooperate, but even in that situation it's possible (depending on your meta, likely?) that at least one opponent has nothing threatening in their graveyard. I am hesitant to remove any graveyard recursion as I'm afraid we may often be a target for removal (since tutors tend to be pretty good...) and I think it may be important to be able to replay some of our key cards like Jegantha, Odric, or Jodah. Of course, I can't get a feel for how often this will come up until getting in a bunch of games with actual opponents.
Other ways to get stuff from our graveyard include: Bala Ged Recovery  Flip, Kethis, the Hidden Hand, Nashi, Moon's Legacy, and Kenrith, the Returned King. Three of these sources can even be tutored for with Buttercup, so perhaps you're right that Skullwinder is unnecessary. For now, I'll put in Jhoira for Skullwinder. This means losing another deathtouch creature, but perhaps at this point we just find other ways to give all our creatures deathtouch.
That brings us to Ankle Shanker. If it were legendary, I think it would be an auto-include. As is, we can't tutor for it and the three colored pips in the mana cost are all downside since they won't buff Buttercup at all. It might still be worth it as an alternative way to give everything deathtouch for Westley, but I'll have to think about it. Again, it's getting harder for me to make cuts...
As for Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim, I like that card and have even thought about creating another deck with it as my commander, but I'm not sure it has enough synergy for what I want to do. Yes, it's legendary and two colors and has deathtouch, but its other effects won't really do much in this deck.
Would you take out Mirkwood Spider, Wasteland Viper, or Tidehollow Strix for one or both of those cards? Or is there another card that should be on the chopping block?
Darb_the_Bard on
Buttercup: Princess Bride
6 months ago
Another thing I really like about Legion Loyalist is the first strike. Even without Odric, giving first strike and trample to our deathtouch creatures is really powerful. As long as our deathtouch creatures have 2+ power, then the trample damage will carry over to trigger Westley for poison counters (assuming each is blocked by a single creature). For that reason, deathtouch creatures with only 1 power and without a second form of evasion (like flying) are quite a bit weaker. Plus, if we want to go all in on the Odric plan, then having so many creatures with deathtouch is less necessary. That said, I'm still hesitant to remove too many deathtouch creatures as I still want to stay true to my original plan of focusing around Westley, and I would still like him to be functional without Odric on the battlefield.
The next deathtouch creatures potentially on the chopping block for me are Bilious Skulldweller, Deathbloom Gardener, Mirkwood Spider, and Wasteland Viper. All of them are super budget, so I'm not sure I'd want to swap them out for the $5.00 Legion Loyalist right away, but it could be something I do down the road after playing the deck in paper several times. rwn1971, thoughts on what you would cut first?
Headers13 on
8 months ago
Cheap creatures with deathtouch:
Acidic Slime Ambush Viper Deathbloom Gardener Fang of Shigeki Gnarlwood Dryad Gorgon Flail Greater Basilisk Heir of the Wilds Ichorspit Basilisk Kessig Recluse Mirkwood Spider Moss Viper Narnam Renegade Oakhame Adversary Skullwinder Tajuru Blightblade Thornweald Archer Turntimber Basilisk Underdark Basilisk
Creatures with infect/toxic
Blight Mamba Core Prowler Corpse Cur Cystbearer Ichorclaw Myr Paladin of Predation Plague Myr Rot Wolf Spinebiter Tyrranax Atrocity Venomous Brutalizer Viridian Corrupter Carrion Call
Proliferate:
Adaptive Sporesinger Cankerbloom Carnivorous Canopy Copper Longlegs Courage in Crisis Evolution Sage Expand the Sphere Smell Fear Thirsting Roots Unnatural Restoration Urban Daggertooth
Equipment:
Grafted Exoskeleton Prosthetic Injector Swiftfoot Boots Fireshrieker Bladed Pinions Chariot of Victory Jousting Lance No-Dachi Peregrine Mask Sharpened Pitchfork Surestrike Trident Viridian Claw Livewire Lash Pathway Arrows Rogue's Gloves Sorcerer's Wand Thornbite Staff Viridian Longbow*
Instant kill:
Aggressive Instinct Ambuscade Animist's Might Bite Down Clear Shot Cosmic Hunger Devouring Tendrils Halana, Kessig Ranger Infectious Bite Nature's Way Rabid Bite Spinning Wheel Kick
Unblockable:
Access Tunnel Rogue's Passage Executioner's Hood Prowler's Helm Skeleton Key Wedding Invitation Whispersilk Cloak