cEDH in C19
Each year there are cards among the commander precons that are a cut above the rest competitively. I have seen talk about Elsha of the Infinite as a storm commander and Dockside Extortionist as a combo piece with Temur Sabertooth in which the whole thing can be hulked for.
Are there any other cards that have been spoiled that could see play in cEDH that any of you have noticed?
August 8, 2019 5:12 p.m.
Atla is interesting, but I think the fact that she has to tap and doesn't have haste makes it not really work for me. Also out of the cards you mentioned with her, the only one really seen in cedh at all is ashnods altar. I would like to be proven wrong about her though, because her static ability is super dope.
As far as gerrard, combat damage is usually not the main plan in cEDH apart from najeela and a few others so I think due to that plus boros being by far the weakest color combo gerrard won't see much if any competitive play.
That being said, I am relatively new to cEDH and as such am no expert so I could definitely be wrong
August 8, 2019 5:29 p.m.
Pretty much Runed Stalactite and Ashnod's Altar will let you cycle through your entire deck for whatever creature you need to combo off with. An example being Protean Hulk . Worldspine Wurm just makes tokens on death to sac instead of whatever big creatures you want to have for your win con. The rest of the deck can just be tutors, removal, ramp etc.
August 8, 2019 5:36 p.m.
Atla seems very weak. The ability to combo with the Stalactite and Altar is like any 3-card combo with one piece being a commander. Unless the combo pieces tutor for each other, are able to all be tutored by a separate card, or the commander can tutor for at least one of the pieces, or the combo is 1-3 mana entirely, the combo isn't reasonably viable on a general basis.
Elsha seems... kind of bad? It is a combo enabler with Top, and Flash, no reveal, only noncreature Future Sight seems okay, but a 5 mana creature variant that any Swords to Plowshares or counterspell can deal with seems weak. Maybe with enough protection, such as Silence type effects, the deck can just be a combo deck with Elsha as a piece, but as a Storm Engine, I doubt it will be able to reliably go off without too little protection. Maybe a midrange combo deck in the realms of tier 2-3.
Anje Falkenrath can cycle through all madness cards for free really fast. I am sure there are some ways to abuse this. I don't know any off of the top of my head, but a Razaketh, the Foulblooded reanimator plan seems reasonable. Just run normal b/r tutors, a few reanimation spells, rakazeth, the combo you plan to use him with, and then lands and fill the rest with madness enablers and fast mana, I'd imagine you could do well with it, not entirely sure. Maybe there is a doomsday line as well, like another Grenzo.
Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero is apparently a good eggs commander, but I haven't seem any list. Ichor Wellspring , Krark-Clan Ironworks , etc do seem to have the proper synergies for a sweet list though.
Chainer, Nightmare Adept seems possibly decent. Buried Alive for Zealous Conscripts , Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , and Phyrexian Delver might be a thing, but I am not sure how much I am a fan of that. It may just be a decent value engine like Elsha.
Pramikon, Sky Rampart is a reasonable include into some decks to fight Tymna the Weaver , kind of a Silent Arbiter effect, able to deal well with some blood pod decks in the meta, but isn't really a commander for cEDH, unless if Spark Double , Sakashima the Impostor , or Helm of the Host for no attacks at all seems useful.
I may go over the other cards more indepth, like the legendaries, but for now:
Cliffside Rescuer , Backdraft Hellkite , Mandate of Peace , Road of Return , Sudden Substitution , Sanctum of Eternity , Leadership Vacuum , Sevinne's Reclamation , Selesnya Eulogist , Mire in Misery, Selesnya Eulogist , and Bone Miser seem posssible, but Dockside Extortionist is the best of them by far.
August 8, 2019 7:36 p.m.
Bone Miser felt to me the most busted card of the bunch. As it offers creatures cards and mana for just discarding cards with seem great with cycling and wheels and many other such things.
August 8, 2019 9:05 p.m.
I feel as though krrik is amazing in a bubble. I don't know if he will be as good in reality because his doomsday pile puts him to such a low life.
August 8, 2019 9:24 p.m.
Honestly, nothing new in the set seems truly competitive level worthy. There are some nifty cards that could be fringe competitive viable, but nothing in the entire set strikes me as Tier 1 or Tier 2 competitive. The most relevant recent addition to true competitive level EDH will probably be Arcane Signet .
August 8, 2019 9:36 p.m.
I'm running a serious Mardu infinite-combo deck. I'm deciding not to run Dockside Extortionist with Cloudstone Curio and Reckless Fireweaver as a win condition. My reasoning is that I sometimes end up in 1-vs-1 games whether by lack of opponents or by swingy decks whittling it down to just me and another player. In this scenario the probability that my only opponent will have 4 or more artifacts and/or enchantments out just seems too inconsistent in order to pull this combo off reliably. I'm also running 5 other infinite combos, so I don't feel like I need another and my least favorite of the 5 still feels like a better option compared to this one.
I'm going to try out Pendant of Prosperity however. is absolutely horrible when it comes to getting effective card draw, but it does have access to good tutor spells. I'm going to run Pendant of Prosperity with Brand to make an effective card draw engine. Draw is important since I'm running a low tier combo deck. My combos aren't as fast as other combo decks, so I need to play a more reactive than proactive game which calls for sacrificing speed for inevitability. I'd still like to hear other people's opinions on this specific card synergy as I was on the fence for the longest time before deciding to give it a shot. Worst case scenario I give the Pendant to the player who is under-performing, or I cycle Brand if it becomes a dead card in hand.
Anje Falkenrath doesn't seem as impressive when in the 99 so long as Deal Broker exists, and I don't even run the Broker. I think Anje should have costed less mana to be worth considering for card filtering.
So far no other spoiled cards have tickled my fancy.
August 9, 2019 5:12 a.m.
August 9, 2019 12:40 p.m.
August 9, 2019 2:14 p.m.
Neat. I definitely thought it was target opponent. Nevermind, then.
August 9, 2019 2:38 p.m.
@ToolmasterOfBrainerd, You were probably thinking of Orim's Chant . Orim's Chant seems better against combo decks whereas Mandate of Peace seems better against decks that prefer to win on the combat step. Mandate of Peace is probably better at protecting your own combo, but Orim's Chant doesn’t have a timing restriction which is also important to consider.
August 9, 2019 3:01 p.m.
Mandate stopping combat is really useful, think of Brago, Najeela, Narset, Zur, Godo, Tymna, Edric, Jeleva, Taigam, Yidris, and some variants of Derevi.
August 9, 2019 3:24 p.m.
Maybe Baral, Chief of Compliance decks will play Vacuume?
August 10, 2019 4:41 a.m.
5 cmc for a polymorph on a stick in naya colors. No haste, cheesy combo requires 3 cards with weak quality outside combo usage. Not for cEDH.
5 cmc for bad Future Sight . Too expensive for a card advantage engine when Tymna is available, another pass for cEDH.
"Egg" commander that suffers due to singleton nature of the format and color restrictions. Not enough card density to run an actual egg build, maybe potential with future egg prints.
Serious potential here. As stated above, reanimator to win with B/R tutors and using free cycles on madness cards to run an effectively 70 card deck.
Potential combo lines are shot in the foot by having to pay the hard cost for the creatures. Doesn't generate tutor or card advantage from the command zone. Pass
This card is money. It will have a similar effect to Smothering Tithe in cEDH, strong card value on its own for decks that can slot it, a nightmare with effects that can milk it for value. Coming to a Godo deck near you!
August 12, 2019 4:56 a.m.
K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth has many pile crackers: