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Sliver creatures you control have "Whenever this creature attacks, it deals 1 damage to target creature or player."
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Thorncaster Sliver Discussion
1 month ago
Warstorm Surge is too slow for modern and too expensive for a deck with only 21 lands. really, anything with a cmc of 5 or higher needs to be able to win you the game on the spot in modern. Thorncaster Sliver doesn't do that. a good example of what i'm talking about is Through the Breach, as it can put Emrakul, the Aeons Torn into play. the charm cards you have don't provide maindeck worthy effects. they are sideboard cards at best, but even then there are other cards that destroy enchantments and artifacts better. Descendants' Path is also much slower than it looks. it requires playing a creature turn 1 or 2, tapping out turn 3 to play the Descendants' Path (which means not playing a creature, and slivers want to constantly play creatures), and then hoping both the creatures and enchantment survive to turn 4. Collected Company would be better in that spot.
2 months ago
Prismatic Omen/Synapse Sliver/Thorncaster Sliver used to be in the decklist, but then i replace Prismatic Omen with Chromatic Lantern, and remove the 2 high CMC Sliver also because i want to add in more Removal Spell. But i'm just update the deck and add them back into the decklist.
2 months ago
In terms of card-draw, I would really recommend adding either Synapse Sliver or something like Coastal Piracy or Bident of Thassa. You'll be attacking a lot anyway, so why not draw cards whenever you manage to damage someone? :)
5 months ago
On the topic of lands to ramp, a general rule of thumb is to have around 50 mana sources in the deck including lands and ramp. In this deck in particular I would suggest closer to 53 or 54.
To make room for more ramp, I would cut Megantic Sliver, Battle Sliver, Dictate of Kruphix, Spellbook, Transguild Promenade, and Courser of Kruphix. Cards I would add are Birds of Paradise, Simic Signet, Golgari Signet, Manaweft Sliver, and Gruul Signet.
I would also add a little more card draw/selection. Some of the best of these are Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise. Delve in general is a very powerful mechanic. I would cut Comeuppance and Thorncaster Sliver for both.
6 months ago
First off, gotta say thank you for the +1 on my deck. Welcome to commander, it's a fun format. Also, welcome to the tribe- Slivers are definitely in a class all their own. This can be both a good and a bad thing, but I digress. Here's one of my thoughts regarding your deck:
Since you have Scythe of the Wretched you could pair that up with Venom Sliver + Thorncaster Sliver. You could seriously reek havoc at the table. You could sub out Armor and Barbed Sliver for each of the previously mentioned. Mostly because well...Armor and Barbed Sliver are easily out shined by most newer slivers.
7 months ago
Icbrgr, thanks for the comment and +1, the hive appreciates it. The combo potential of Venom Sliver is great, as Deathtouch is just a wonderful ability. Quilled Sliver's ability is also great, but it does leave much to be desired. The strict stipulation of having to target an attacking or blocking creature really limits the combo's viability. A similar Sliver, Thorncaster Sliver is also pretty lackluster. I wish for I could get a slightly improved Psionic Sliver. It's design simply falls short of a Prodigal Sorcerer, which I believe it's supposed to be, but a Sliver. Quilled Sliver isn't bad, but its not optimized.
8 months ago
First, i'd like to say that it'd be my pleasure to help you streamline your deck. So what you're seeking is efficiency, cutting the number of slivers that are redundant, or don't contribute as much...okay...i'll make some cases for what you can cut and place them into "must cut" and "maybe cut" depending on your meta and what direction you'd want to take your deck in.
Constricting Sliver: The cost simply isn't worth it. CMC 6 for a 3/3 that can only exile creatures is really underwhelming.
Darkheart Sliver: Only useful against mass removal events. Basically, he's just meant to kind of discourage them. Outside of that, CMC 2 for a 2/2 isn't bad. Doesn't contribute much past that though. You can cut this.
Hunter Sliver: Provoke is interesting, but I don't think this guy belongs given your current general. Sliver Overlord is the control oriented sliver general (Queen is combo, Legion/Hivelord are aggro). Hunter is neat, but he doesn't fit.
Lymph Sliver: No. Just no. On top of being a CMC 5 cost for a paltry 3/3, Absorb is a joke of an ability at best. It's a neat? concept but even Wizards just outright abandoned it after they thought it up. Lymph is literally THE ONLY card in all of magic to have that ability...which is awful.
Sidewinder Sliver: This guy is only any good when there are more than one. Since flanking is a triggered ability it stacks. That means with 4 sidewinders in play all creatures without flanking who are getting blocked by slivers get -4/-4. But with only 1 sidewinder, a measly -1/-1 will hardly stop anything. Especially in EDH.
Thorncaster Sliver:Has neat synergy with Venom Sliver. Outside of that, it seems to be too niche of an ability to make much of an impact. CMC 5 for a 2/2 makes it an auto removal in my opinion. You have better things to spend your mana on.
Root Sliver: Inclusion of this sliver is highly dependent on your meta. If you face counter happy decks on the regular, then definitely a must include. But if are only seeing counterspells once every blue moon (like me) then this card isn't worth the permanent slot. Keep in on the sideboard.
Telekinetic Sliver: A neat sliver, but i'd say it's highly dependent on where you want your deck to go. If you were running something like Mind Over Matter or Paradox Engine I could see this being very interesting...but just putting it in...(giggity) doesn't seem all that worthwhile. But that's just me.
Toxin Sliver: Has a very quirky and weird triggered ability that is NOT deathtouch. My problem with this guy though, is that he's a CMC 4 for a 3/3. Good synergy with Thorncaster Sliver, but not all too useful in a control oriented sliver deck. If you were going aggro? That'd be a different story.
Ward Sliver: I have mixed feelings about this one. CMC 5 for a 2/2 is an automatic no, but protection from a color of your choice can be outright amazing depending on the situation. Use your best judgement on this one, but really take a moment and examine what direction you want your deck to go in.
Hope my thoughts gave you some guidance on where you want to go with your deck. I'll definitely keep watching to see where it goes...keep on slivering my friend. Oh, and +1 for ya!
8 months ago
Thanks for the lengthy comment + feedback GMD_1090, I appreciated the advice! Here's my stream of consciousness thoughts on the suggestions...
Opaline Sliver is decent, but it's card draw effect is conditional on my slivers being targeted. Sure it's a handy deterrent, but it kind of goes against what I want to be doing with the deck (e.g. getting Crystalline Sliver out). Dormant Sliver comes into play when I'm ready to assemble the pieces and draw my deck FTW. He's an awesome combo piece and the defender factor is irrelevant because he'll be sac'd or bounced when the time is right (see the 'shenanigans' portion of the deck description for more detail there).
Animar, Soul of Elements is an amazing card and general, but seems unnecessary. The minor cost reduction is nice, but my avg. CMC is already pretty low and my ramp options are working out as is. He'd just be a beater with no evasion that doesn't synergize with the rest of the deck. Even though she's off theme, Bloom Tender is a great mana dork. If I had one kicking around, I'd consider slapping it in here.
I used to run Thorncaster Sliver in here but ended up removing him in favour of combo sliver options. In my experience he wasn't that effective and if Sliver Queen is out, odds are I'm going to be combo'ing without the need for the thorn plings.
I also used to run Magma Sliver and although he looks great on paper, in practice he wasn't so powerful and I could never make good use of him. Firewake Sliver's secondary ability is irrelevant - he's in here for redundancy as another haste enabler.
I like your idea of Dictate of Erebos! I hadn't thought of that card in this deck...Interesting.
I've been playing the deck for years and have the strategies pinned down. Over time it's evolved from a 'go wide' aggro sliver horde to more of a combo oriented deck. Beyond the amazing synergy of the sliver tribe, the thing I like most is the sheer variety in the deck - lots & lots of evil ways to take out your opponents. I still enjoy fine tuning it and I definitely appreciate the opportunity to talk about different deck ideas/philosophies so thanks for that!