Need some clarification
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Posted on March 14, 2024, 5:32 a.m. by kisloski
Hi, I need some clarification on one topic. I have this board state:
and now I cast Shock, no counterplay is in place and what happens?
Case 1: Fire Servant affects Shock first, making it deal a total of 4 damage and in result not triggering Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might Flip.
or
Case 2: Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might Flip affects Shock first bringing the damage to 4 and then Fire Servant doubles the damage bringing it up to 8 in total.
Can someone tell which one is true or maybe point me to a rule which states how to deal with kind of situation?
wallisface says... #3
the affected player (or controller of the affected object) chooses one of them to apply first.
Your opponent is the thing being affected, they choose.
March 14, 2024 2:04 p.m.
Thanks for the comments guys! One thing thou - affected player (or controller of the affected object) you say it from a perpective of who is affected by the Shock spell but isn't it controller of the object which is affected by the replacement effects ? If my thinking is correct - I decide which effect applies first to the spell that I control.
English is not my first language so some language barrier may apply in understanding this ruling.
March 14, 2024 4:34 p.m.
wallisface says... #5
kisloski the ”controller of the affected object” is effectively what is being targeted as far as i’m aware.
March 14, 2024 4:48 p.m. Edited.
wallisface says... #6
^ there’s a good chance I have this wrong though.
There’s a bunch of good rules-people on the site that’ll be able to provide a definitive answer. It’s probably worth reposting this in the “Rules Q&A” section to get their eyes on this.
March 14, 2024 4:52 p.m.
Kisloski is correct here. The thing being "affected" by the replacement effect is the damage amount of Shock, thusly the controller of the object (Shock) chooses the order.
March 16, 2024 10:28 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #8
616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object’s controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order.
Nemesis and wallisface were correct in their original interpretation of the rule. Above I have posted the comprehensive rule in question. The important part for the disagreement at hand is "the way an event affects an object or player". The event in this case is "Shock deals 2 damage". What the event is affecting is the opponent. Replacement effects need a game event to modify. The event is the damage, the player affected by the damage is the opponent.
Nemesis says... #2
I believe the affected player, in this case your opponent, chooses how the replacement effects resolve. So typically they'd apply the doubler first so that Ojer doesn't do anything.
March 14, 2024 11:03 a.m.