Leonin Sun Standard
(1)(White): Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
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Leonin Sun Standard Discussion
4 months ago
Hey RelinquishedAttempts, thanks for your comment!
I can understand how this deck may seem a bit all over the place. I definitely took it in a different directions than most people do. Most people either use infinite combo's using Basalt Monolith and/or Grim Monolith, or they focus more on equipments. I think both of these strategies are not very interesting. My deck focusses on non-tap abilities that are made cheaper by Zirda to get a lot of value. Because of this, the deck includes many cards you normally don't see because the activation cost is too expensive. Some cards I just find cool to play, for example Chained to the Rocks is usually worse than Swords to Plowshares, but I just like the flavor of the former more. Likewise, Hundred-Handed One is not a very strong card, but it does have some synergy with Zirda, and I just think it's a very funny card. With that said, there may well be some cards I will swap later on, once I've played some more games with this deck (I have only played this deck in four games, due to covid).
As for your suggestions, Brion Stoutarm indeed seems out of place in this deck, since its cost is not reduced by Zirda. For this reason, I have definitely considered removing it, however, there are quite a lot of ways to get big creatures in this deck, for example: Evra, Halcyon Witness, Dark Depths, Phyrexian Processor, Custodi Soulbinders, Ignition Team, Clockwork Dragon, Wine of Blood and Iron, Mirage Mirror, Captivating Crew etc. But like I said, I should really play some more games and decide whether it fits well enough or not.
Dawn of Hope and Sacred Mesa could indeed work quite well. I'm personally not a huge fan of making many small tokens, so I don't want to center my deck around that, but some of them are fine. If after some more playing I discover that a card really doesn't work well, I will consider adding these instead.
As for Gerrard's Battle Cry, it seems almost strictly better than Leonin Sun Standard, however, I don't like having old-bordered cards in my decks. That's just a style thing, if it was reprinted I would definitely add it.
The meta in my playgroup is quite slow, so that's why the average CMC of this deck is a bit higher than what most would consider ideal, but in our meta, you really need to have a strong late game.
You also mentioned the price of the deck. The prices listed on tappedout are way higher than what I paid in Europe. For example, I paid €8 for Smothering Tithe, not $24. I paid €3 for Sword of the Animist instead of $12, and only €3 for Braid of Fire instead of $17.
I also took a look at your deck. I don't quite understand why you have so many direct damage spells, they don't really synergize as far as I can tell. Consequently, I also don't think the spell copying fits that well. Maybe your meta is more reactive than mine, but in my meta this would not make much sense.
I also see some cards that I have considered, but ultimately rejected. (Planar Bridge, Umbral Mantle, Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient), the reasonings are explained in the description of my deck. I have also considered Rings of Brighthearth, but decided against it because the value is usually not that high in my deck, because most abilities are non-tap abilities and activating the ability again is often cheaper or the same cost as paying the 2 mana. Staff of Domination was rejected for a similar reason, I think the value is just not that great in my deck (the life-gain is meh, most abilities are non-tap, so untapping is not necessary, and drawing a card for 3 is not great).
I think a big difference between our decks is that my deck has mostly non-tap abilities, and yours has more tap abilities. This explain why you put in cards like Manifold Key, Staff of Domination, Umbral Mantle and Voltaic Key
Neither strategy is wrong of course, but if there is one thing I would recommend, it is to reconsider whether the direct damage spells in your deck make sense. Thanks again for your comment and your suggestions. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
5 months ago
"and a pump spell."
I agree. I could always add back Leonin Sun Standard. Just unsure about what to remove atm.
10 months ago
I really like Flickerform, Gift of Immortality, Ephemerate, and Conjurer's Closet with Tolsimir, Friend to Wolves. Great ways of protecting him and getting reuse out of his enter the battlefield (ETB) ability!
I also really like Sword of the Paruns. Tolsimir usually wants you to play lots of wolves so that you can use his ability. You can use Sword of the Paruns to boost your wolves on defense when they ETB and fight!
I would recommend maybe replacing Gods Willing, Blessed Breath, Realms Uncharted, Unexpectedly Absent, Inspire Awe, & Stand Firm with Make a Stand, Unbreakable Formation, Rootborn Defenses, Brave the Elements, Swords to Plowshares, & Path to Exile
Heraldic Banner fits the deck really well! Some other good cards in that vein would be Marshal's Anthem, Leonin Sun Standard, Adaptive Automaton, Spear of Heliod, or Vanquisher's Banner. You could replace Shriekhorn, Mindcrank, Conjurer's Bauble, Ghoulcaller's Bell, & Grindclock with the recommendations.
1 year ago
well somehow my comment broke. that sucks. Recommend to remove: Voltaic Servant Sprite Noble Empyrean Eagle Golem's Heart Cathedral Membrane Heraldic Banner Journeyer's Kite One of the things you have that makes things enter tapped. Maybe. And some lands.
Recommend: Anthem(1-2 more of at most) Spear of Heliod Obelisk of Urd Leonin Sun Standard Stuff cost less Helm of Awakening Jhoira's Familiar Hatefull Diversionary Tactics Suppression Field Protec Retract Draw Slate of Ancestry Etherium Astrolabe Does Everything The Immortal Sun
1 year ago
So after looking at it real quick, here are lists of lists:
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2 years ago
Cards I would recommend cutting out: Darting Merfolk, Windrider Patrol, Animation Module, Inspiring Roar, Noble Purpose, Kindred Boon, Gleam of Authority, Celestial Mantle, Brave the Sands, Leonin Sun Standard, Throne of Geth, Beacon of Immortality, Scale Blessing, Harpoon Sniper, Reef Shaman, Silvergill Douser.
All the cards I mentioned above doesn't work with the build your going for, dilutes your deck, or is too slow on the curve for it to matter.
Hope that helps!
2 years ago
I saw this deck on a deck ad and decided to try to help out, mainly because I also enjoy playing Merfolk decks and I have one GU merfolk deck using Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca that's pretty fun to play. If you want the link, it's Alexander's Terrible Horrible No Good Merfolk Deck. If you like Merfolk, Kumena is an excellent commander to try out. I personally would get rid of Pyramid of the Pantheon because for your deck it's too slow. Most of your drops are already pretty cheap, and having to wait three turns (at minimum) to get the card's full power doesn't sound too great.
I would also get rid of Leonin Sun Standard, while the buff is a good mana dump and synergizes with any unblockable effects you can slap onto your merfolk, since the buff doesn't count as a +1/+1 counter buff and isn't proliferate-able, I wouldn't run it.
Windrider Patrol is too expensive for your deck. The scry is nice, but if thsi is a UW Aggro deck, it's probably best to stick to smaller, more easily swarmable creatures.
Animation Module is too slow too. 3 mana for a semi-prolif on only one permanent as opposed to something that can proliferate on everything.
Brave the Sands doesn't really make too much sense to me in this deck. The vigilance effect and being able to block multiple things doesn't really help either since if your creatures are big enough and able to block you probably won't get swung at anyway. If anything, run Intruder Alarm instead (it's so much fun trust me).
Noble Purpose can also be taken out. The lifegain from unblockable creatures is nice, but at 5 mana I wouldn't run it.
In my opinion, Kopala, Warden of Waves sounds good in theory, but against a swarm strategy like this deck is, you can bet people will probably save their single target removal for either other players or just use non-target board wipes on you.
Sea Scryer is a merfolk, but in a (mana-wise) cheap deck like this I don't think he'll be too useful. If he's in your opening hand or shows up in the first 3 turns or so he can be useful, but if you don't draw him before then he's kind of a dead draw.
Heartstone doesn't synergize enough with your deck. There's not enough activated ability creatures in your deck to warrant running it in my opinion. There's probably more you can do to get rid of things, but I think those are good suggestions to start with. Try to assess your big cards and see if they're really worth their mana cost.
2 years ago
Hmmm, I could think of a few ways to up-tune this deck if you'd like your combat phase to be a little spicier.
Archetype of Aggression has three power so it can not be recurred with your commander. Since most of your creatures have 2 power giving them trample is not the greatest keyword ability you could give them. Instead I think Goblin War Drums could give your creatures more of an edge and damage output instead.
A better card for Ashmouth Hound would be Benalish Cavalry as it has one more toughness and it decreases the blocking creature's power as well. This makes the Cavalry better as it is much more likely to survive in combat unlike the Hound.
Attended Knight is alright, but a stronger inclusion would be Blade Splicer as it puts more power on the board for the same mana, and if the Splicer dies, recurring it multiple times produces bigger tokens than the Knight.
Battle-Mad Ronin can be a 3/3 for 2 mana, but when it's not blacked it doesn't do a lot of damage to your opponent, and sometimes you are forced to attack with it when it would not be preferable to do so. War-Name Aspirant would be more preferable, as you get a 3/2 with an added ability that makes it harder for your opponent to block it. It also doesn't have to attack each turn so you can use it to block if needed.
Capashen Knight is alright, but if you're short on mana to pump into him he can be rather ineffective. A reasonable replacement would be Knight of Grace which should easily be a 3/2 first strike if you or another player have a black card or creature on the battlefield. Having a constant 3-power first strike creature would be the equivalent of paying 4 mana into the Capashen Knight every turn. Plus the Knight of Grace has one more toughness and hexproof from black so it's much harder to remove as well.
Kiln Walker is a standard 3 mana 3/3, but a better card to run would be Nighthowler as having just 3 creatures in any graveyard makes it just as big all the time rather than when only attacking. In commander graveyards tend to fill up fast so the Howler will always be larger and larger as the game drags on.
Paragon of Fierce Defiance, Paragon of New Dawns, and Paragon of Open Graves do provide anthem effects, but since their anthems are limited by color of creatures you won't always get the paragon you need to buff up your whole team. Instead I would recommend running Angel of Invention, Ravos, Soultender, and Drana, Liberator of Malakir as they all can pump up your creatures regardless of color restrictions.
Rogue's Gloves does provide card draw, however; you may enjoy Mask of Memory more as the equip cost is cheaper, and drawing two cards then discarding one card can be more advantageous than drawing just one card.
Legion's Initiative only really buffs the attack of half your creatures which can be not as helpful if you don't have any red creatures out besides your commander. Leonin Sun Standard may prove better as it can pump all your creatures multiple times if needed.
Orcish Oriflamme can provide increased attack power for your creatures, but it's nowhere near as good as Glory of Warfare which provides more attack power, and it also provides more toughness when you need blockers.
You might also want to touch up on your mana-base a bit. Path of Ancestry works exactly like Nomad Outpost as it produces the same colors, but you can also scry with your commander off it. Command Tower and Ash Barrens also provide excellent mana fixing that you might want to look into. Other lands you may want to consider obtaining would be Wind-Scarred Crag, Tainted Peak, Isolated Chapel, Clifftop Retreat, Graven Cairns, Fetid Heath, and Rugged Prairie.
I hope you find these card suggestions useful to you.