Wine of Blood and Iron
(4): Target creature gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is its power. Sacrifice Wine of Blood and Iron at end of turn.
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Wine of Blood and Iron Discussion
3 months ago
Hey RelinquishedAttempts, thanks for your comment!
I can understand how this deck may seem a bit all over the place. I definitely took it in a different directions than most people do. Most people either use infinite combo's using Basalt Monolith and/or Grim Monolith, or they focus more on equipments. I think both of these strategies are not very interesting. My deck focusses on non-tap abilities that are made cheaper by Zirda to get a lot of value. Because of this, the deck includes many cards you normally don't see because the activation cost is too expensive. Some cards I just find cool to play, for example Chained to the Rocks is usually worse than Swords to Plowshares, but I just like the flavor of the former more. Likewise, Hundred-Handed One is not a very strong card, but it does have some synergy with Zirda, and I just think it's a very funny card. With that said, there may well be some cards I will swap later on, once I've played some more games with this deck (I have only played this deck in four games, due to covid).
As for your suggestions, Brion Stoutarm indeed seems out of place in this deck, since its cost is not reduced by Zirda. For this reason, I have definitely considered removing it, however, there are quite a lot of ways to get big creatures in this deck, for example: Evra, Halcyon Witness, Dark Depths, Phyrexian Processor, Custodi Soulbinders, Ignition Team, Clockwork Dragon, Wine of Blood and Iron, Mirage Mirror, Captivating Crew etc. But like I said, I should really play some more games and decide whether it fits well enough or not.
Dawn of Hope and Sacred Mesa could indeed work quite well. I'm personally not a huge fan of making many small tokens, so I don't want to center my deck around that, but some of them are fine. If after some more playing I discover that a card really doesn't work well, I will consider adding these instead.
As for Gerrard's Battle Cry, it seems almost strictly better than Leonin Sun Standard, however, I don't like having old-bordered cards in my decks. That's just a style thing, if it was reprinted I would definitely add it.
The meta in my playgroup is quite slow, so that's why the average CMC of this deck is a bit higher than what most would consider ideal, but in our meta, you really need to have a strong late game.
You also mentioned the price of the deck. The prices listed on tappedout are way higher than what I paid in Europe. For example, I paid €8 for Smothering Tithe, not $24. I paid €3 for Sword of the Animist instead of $12, and only €3 for Braid of Fire instead of $17.
I also took a look at your deck. I don't quite understand why you have so many direct damage spells, they don't really synergize as far as I can tell. Consequently, I also don't think the spell copying fits that well. Maybe your meta is more reactive than mine, but in my meta this would not make much sense.
I also see some cards that I have considered, but ultimately rejected. (Planar Bridge, Umbral Mantle, Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient), the reasonings are explained in the description of my deck. I have also considered Rings of Brighthearth, but decided against it because the value is usually not that high in my deck, because most abilities are non-tap abilities and activating the ability again is often cheaper or the same cost as paying the 2 mana. Staff of Domination was rejected for a similar reason, I think the value is just not that great in my deck (the life-gain is meh, most abilities are non-tap, so untapping is not necessary, and drawing a card for 3 is not great).
I think a big difference between our decks is that my deck has mostly non-tap abilities, and yours has more tap abilities. This explain why you put in cards like Manifold Key, Staff of Domination, Umbral Mantle and Voltaic Key
Neither strategy is wrong of course, but if there is one thing I would recommend, it is to reconsider whether the direct damage spells in your deck make sense. Thanks again for your comment and your suggestions. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
7 months ago
Good build. The format on the page is a bit troublesome for those of us who are colorblind, however.
Also, you have a helluva lot of ramp. You're commander only costs 4, your average CMC is 2.00, more than a quarter of the deck is one mana or less, and you're running 13 ramp spells? Personally, I'd cut that down a bit, and use the space for draw and protection. For the latter of those, I'd reccomend at least a couple counterspells (Arcane Denial and Mana Leak come readily to mind), and Whispersilk Cloak which doubles as evasion.
That's all I got. Cheers!
1 year ago
Power boosts that don't cost mana that turn are good- Llanowar Augur will help.
3 years ago
High-power dudes: Old-Growth Dryads, Sheltering Ancient, Phyrexian Soulgorger, Rhonas the Indomitable, Woodland Bellower, Argothian Wurm, Tempting Wurm, Cultivator's Caravan, Smuggler's Copter, Heart of Kiran, Nylea, God of the Hunt, Chameleon Colossus, Heroes' Bane, Omnath, Locus of Mana, Citanul Centaurs, Consulate Dreadnought, Exemplar of Strength, Groundbreaker, Hunted Troll, Hunted Wumpus, Irontread Crusher, Leatherback Baloth, Lupine Prototype, Myr Superion, Pangosaur, Ravaging Riftwurm, Talara's Battalion, and a lot of mana dorks (because Llanowar Elves is basically a Sol Ring, adding from the ability and towards Ghalta)
3 years ago
Selvala should be in here, you're right. And yeah, I checked all the staple Selvala cards, Sheltering Ancient and Phyrexian Soulgorger are the only really good ones. Ravaging Riftwurm is another fine addition, but I didn't want to go too gimmick heavy, especially when we won't be making use of Selvala's mana ability as consistently.
And this really isn't a voltron deck; we're casting big dumb creatures that do nothing to reduce Ghalta's CMC, and ideally get a 12/12 for . Best of all is his ability reduces the Commander tax whenever it goes back into the command zone.
I don't plan on making this a voltron deck since he's already swinging for 12 commander damage, so using cleverer tactics like infect, Berserk, Wine of Blood and Iron and Nantuko Mentor were kind of the general idea to just obliterate an opponent.
Also, for Omnath, he's not the general, lol, and won't be in the final product, I just used a placeholder since Ghalta isn't in the database yet. This is a deck I built today specifically for Ghalta, Primal Hunger.
3 years ago
Dunno if anyone has seen this. I love it as a card, but I'm pretty sure it's not competitive.
Outside of a strictly worse Selvala shell.
Commander / EDH
You're essentially running all the dorks, and some of Selvala's crappy fatties like Phyrexian Soulgorger and Sheltering Ancient to cheat him out. For pure CMD damage, Berserk effects, Wine of Blood and Iron and Nantuko Mentor all help.
I could also see this as a 99 in Xenagod/etc
3 years ago
Hey there, Is it okay for your playgroup that you use a non-legendary card as your commander? If so and you will continue to use Godsire, then you should consider tokendoublers. I am aware that some of them are kind of expensive, but on the other side, some of them arent: Anointed Procession, Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, Primal Vigor.
Populate, can work very good as well, because you play with huge Tokens: Druid's Deliverance, Growing Ranks, Rootborn Defenses, Sundering Growth, Trostani's Judgment, Trostani, Selesnya's Voice, Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage, Wake the Reflections, Wayfaring Temple, also great: Samut, Voice of Dissent.
Altough you have to think about, wich route you want to go with the deck. I would say swarm with tokens and go broad, not Voltron. But if you want to Voltron like hell, you should consider the follwing: Ramp like f*** in the first few turns. Godsire is expensive! and then give it a boost! Godsire has the Potential of killing in one hit if you combine it with the following:
Double Strike: Assault Strobe, Avatar of Slaughter, Battle Mastery, Berserkers' Onslaught, Blood Mist, Boros Charm, Duelist's Heritage, Fireshrieker, Psychotic Fury, Samut, the Tested, Silverblade Paladin, Temur Battle Rage.
Combine this with +X'er: Berserk, Dragon Throne of Tarkir on one of the Tokens, Fatal Frenzy, Nantuko Mentor, Onward, Overwhelming Stampede, Pathbreaker Ibex, Rush of Blood, Wine of Blood and Iron, Xenagos, God of Revels.
I hope i could help you.