Tap, Sacrifice Conjurer's Bauble: Put up to one target card from your graveyard on the bottom of your library. Draw a card.
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Conjurer's Bauble Discussion
3 weeks ago
You could go with what they call eggs
Mazemind Tome gives you some extra draw or scry
When i used eggs in my mono red I went with ones I could get extra benefit from
There are more but you get the idea
3 months ago
Jotun Grunt , Mistveil Plains , and Conjurer's Bauble all provide excellent redundancy and backup for Lin's second ability. Not Forgotten is an underrated and flexible piece that can provide the same function, get your card (not just creatures) back, keep your opponent from reanimating/recurring their card, or even put a dead card on top of their library to screw over their next draw step!
4 months ago
Okay so I believe I mentioned this last time you brought up the format but I don’t recall the answer. How do you deal with non-land sources of mana or non-basic lands. Your rules say you CAN pay for mana with basics existing but is it possible to still tap a non basic for mana to pay a cost? For example if I have a swamp and a Volcanic Island on the battlefield. Can I play a Doom Blade by tapping my non basic for 1 and using my swamp for the other portion? Theoretical reasons for this could include ramping with artifacts or fetching for a dual land to get 2 off colors.
Also your van list includes things shuffling the grave into the library. Is my assumption correct that you also intend to ban cards like Conjurer's Bauble?
You mention “cards with the ability to mill” are banned and that all damage to self is mill. Is your ban inclusive of cards that deal damage to self/opponents since that will mill? I assume not and you intend that to be cards with the mill keyword. But there are also cards with this same style effect not key worded as mill such as Mulch. And cards that exile from library such as Salvage Drone. May be a good idea to be clear about what you plan on excluding.
You also exclude abilities that can “reanimate”. I took that to mean putting a creature onto the battlefield from grave. But this is not a keyword and you’ll have to be specific. There’s also cards like Living End which will likely get around any wording for Reanimation. I also didn’t take your wording to mean banning of cards that return cards to hand. I also saw nothing stopping someone from using Snapcaster Mage on non-creatures in grave which I’m unsure if that was intentional or not. You could make the rule a bit more all encompassing by changing the rule to something like Grafdigger's Cage.
I also built a deck to test this format assuming you can use fast mana. this deck 100% wins turn 1 if you get a mountain in the opening 7 and the opponent doesn’t have Force of Will. You can still win turn 1 if you have to mulligan to less than 7 I was just too lazy to check how the math works out with less than 7. All you need to do is cantrip through 24 cards, play and crack the lotus then grapeshot twice for lethal. The cantrips don’t need to be red I just did it because it matched the grape shots. The deck can also be built with more than 3 mountains that is more consistent and doesn’t lower its chance as much in a mulligan but it technically leaves open the chance of whiffing the combo on turn 1 and I thought it made a better point to demonstrate things this way. Also note this deck is not even remotely optimized. It could be made far more efficient and sleek with time and testing.
Deck Jok test
My list is just an example of how I believe the format will play out. Storm-like decks and decks mulling to make sure they open with a Force of Will. If you see a reason it won’t end up like this feel free to point out anything I missed. But I think you need to find a way to limit people in some way.
6 months ago
shepherdofangels Sure! The basic idea is to play lots of 1-drop artifact trinkets that you can sacrifice to draw more. Stuff like Chromatic Sphere. If ich-tekik is out when you sacrifice it, then all of your golems get bigger and you draw another card that hopefully gives you another trinket to play, like Conjurer's Bauble.
Umori, the Collector and Foundry Inspector can make all of the trinkets free to cast which makes it possible to play and sacrifice even more in one turn. And if you have Bolas's Citadel or Mystic Forge this makes it even easier to cast like 10-15 spells in a turn.
The payoff for this kind of storm is twofold. Again, with ich-tekik your stuff gets bigger every time you sac an artifact. But there are also storm payoffs like Aetherflux Reservoir, Weather the Storm Tendrils of Agony etc.
9 months ago
@SynergyBuild, Ah well I wanted to leave what kind of deck this would be open-ended so that if it couldn't fit well in my deck it may still serve someone else's deck better. What strikes me about this combo is you could play Ashnod's Altar for , Seasoned Pyromancer for and if you produce two tokens you can cast Nim Deathmantle practically for and still have enough resources to initiate the combo without any additional mana expenditures meaning the combo has the capability to be used with as little as mana total. I feel like this is really low to the ground and may find use in either Legacy (or Modern if Ashnod's Altar is ever printed into that format). Though I haven't played in the Legacy format so perhaps that remark is a bit of a stretch and I'm sure there's loads of reasons to doubt Ashnod's Altar will ever end up in Modern, but having this sort of open-ended conversation I think can serve a lot of good even if its for commander or a different format.
As for my deck I am running Alesha, Who Smiles at Death so . So that does happen to bar me from great suggestions such as Unlife's Thassa's Oracle/Laboratory Maniac suggestion or RambIe's Abundance suggestion. I do want to thank both for bringing everyone's attention to those cards. Also due to the constraints of my deck I want to not run creatures with power 3 or greater and I don't want to run cards with CMC 5 or greater (if I can help it). That said I do want to thank PhotogenicParasympathetic for their card suggestion of Bone Miser and RambIe's suggestion to use Garna, the Bloodflame. Even if these cards don't fit into the constraints of my deck it is wonderful that they were brought up as I feel they actually do the combo a lot of good if you can run them.
I believe the cards suggested that help me the most for my deck are RambIe's suggestion of Shadow of the Grave and most importantly dingusdingo's suggestion to use Library of Leng which I am absolutely kicking myself for, for not being able to think of it around the time I made this thread. Library of Leng as I see it practically answers holes A and B and is so incredibly cheap to cast on top of that. I'm kicking myself because before coming up with this combo I was trying to come up with a two card draw engine using the library as one of the pieces.
I also want to thank dingusdingo and enpc for better explaining how this combo is non-deterministic which better exemplifies why holes A and B are so important to fill. It's also why Library of Leng was such a critical card to be noted as it turns the combo from undeterministic to deterministic.
That all being said however Library of Leng well may bring up a very hazy rules interaction into question that I feel I must have to consult a judge on. If you go onto the Gatherer page for Library of Leng and check the card rulings below on that page it specifies: "Since the card goes directly to the library, the card is not revealed unless the spell or ability requiring the discard specifically says it is."
Because of this ruling the cards discarded aren't revealed, however Seasoned Pyromancer says you can only create tokens based on what cards were discarded. So would this interaction mean that I could discard two land cards, not reveal the fact they are two land cards due to Library of Leng's ruling and then claim the two cards I discarded were actually nonland cards just to produce the tokens? Obviously that scenario wouldn't work, but this begs the question how does this work? Remember the card ruling says the cards aren't revealed unless an effect specifically says to reveal the discarded card and no where does Seasoned Pyromancer say the discarded cards must be revealed because typically the contents of any player's graveyard is common knowledge to everyone. So this effect would only apply to cards such as Nephalia Academy, Noxious Vapors, Cabal Therapy, etc. where reveal is explicitly stated. But I might be wildly misinterpreting this effect as it could also be abusive with cards that have transmute or Seismic Assault where what you discard matters except the rulings for Library of Leng also states: "You can’t use the Library of Leng ability to place a discarded card on top of your library when you discard a card as a cost, because costs aren’t effects." Transmute and Seismic Assault use the discarded card as a cost, but Seasoned Pyromancer doesn't so is this a blind spot in the rules?
But excluding what I just mentioned there Library of Leng is probably the best answer for countering Holes A and B so far, but it's still not a 100% perfect solution. There's always the risk of running into a massive land block before drawing into it and there's also the concern of if your deck has an odd number of cards, then if its the bottom card of your library you'd need some additional effect to draw into it as drawing two cards at a time would cause you to deck out and lose the game before you could even cast it. While I'm fully aware both effects are still very unlikely they do exist and that probability is a non-zero entity even if for it being very unlikely.
One card I'm already running in my deck that may help mitigate one of those issues however is Conjurer's Bauble which I can use to guarantee the bottom card of my library won't be the Library of Leng. And if I choose not to put a card on the bottom of my library, that can trip can be used to turn a library with an odd number of cards in it into a library with an even number of cards in it. It's also helpful in the event I mill either it or Elixir of Immortality into my graveyard whether by some dredge effect or through milling caused by an opponent from earlier in the game. I thought I'd bring everyone's attention to Conjurer's Bauble as the cheap cost and can trip makes it an accessory to this combo that won't be a dead draw in the event you don't have the combo out.
10 months ago
I really like Flickerform, Gift of Immortality, Ephemerate, and Conjurer's Closet with Tolsimir, Friend to Wolves. Great ways of protecting him and getting reuse out of his enter the battlefield (ETB) ability!
I also really like Sword of the Paruns. Tolsimir usually wants you to play lots of wolves so that you can use his ability. You can use Sword of the Paruns to boost your wolves on defense when they ETB and fight!
I would recommend maybe replacing Gods Willing, Blessed Breath, Realms Uncharted, Unexpectedly Absent, Inspire Awe, & Stand Firm with Make a Stand, Unbreakable Formation, Rootborn Defenses, Brave the Elements, Swords to Plowshares, & Path to Exile
Heraldic Banner fits the deck really well! Some other good cards in that vein would be Marshal's Anthem, Leonin Sun Standard, Adaptive Automaton, Spear of Heliod, or Vanquisher's Banner. You could replace Shriekhorn, Mindcrank, Conjurer's Bauble, Ghoulcaller's Bell, & Grindclock with the recommendations.
1 year ago
I have a few questions:
2: what would be some good replacements for the $250+ cards?
1 year ago
I would advise on cutting the Karmic Guide + Reveillark combo for Kaya's Ghostform + Phyrexian Altar and generally lowering the mana curve so that you can run Ad Nauseam. Sidisi is just an overcosted tutor, if you're on a budget Final Parting is much better. Would probraly exchange Perpetual Timepiece for Conjurer's Bauble too and cut some lands for the eggs that draw you cards like:Chromatic Sphere,Chromatic Star,Mishra's Bauble and Urza's Bauble. This way you can go through your deck much faster.
Here is the List that I have been working on: Lurrus Reanimator
in my opinion some must includes that you're missing out on are:
Hope that I could help.