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Creature — Rat Rogue
: Exile target card from an opponent's graveyard. If no cards are in that graveyard, flip Nezumi Graverobber.
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Nezumi Graverobber Discussion
2 months ago
It's definitely a very good start. Cards to keep an eye out for:
Spirit of the Labyrinth. This is a must-have for hatebears decks. Halting your opponents from card advantaging you out is insane.
Aura of Silence: Again, tax your opponents. Also has an incredible rider on it.
Lodestone Golem: Big beater? Check. Taxes your opponent? Check.
Leonin Arbiter: Tax your opponents, yet again.
Ethersworn Canonist: Like above, except also beats for 2. A great inclusion.
Samurai of the Pale Curtain: While not as amazing as he used to be, still a beater that hurts graveyard based decks.
Nezumi Graverobber: Okay, stealing creatures from yards, stripping them bare AND beating down? This guy just isn't fair. Also, Faerie Macabre does well, especially if you have to get something out of a yard.
Voidstone Gargoyle: At 5 mana, less important, but he can lock your opponents out of their commander. Or a board wipe. Or really anything.
Acidic Slime: Cheap, good, repeatable, also just generally good. Did I mention that he was good?
Eternal Witness: Semi-expensive rn, but if you have to get something back, accept NO substitutes.
Qasali Pridemage: Me-ow.
Phyrexian Revoker: Legacy staple, also beats for 2.
Dust Elemental: Save 3 dudes, get a beater. All-in-all, a win-win.
Hushwing Gryff: While it does turn off many cards, it also turns off your opponents. Use at your own risk.
Stonecloaker: Just do it.
Oblation: Just do it.
Soul Sculptor: 'Tis but a silly card, and one that really hurts some decks. Very, very badly.
Arena of the Ancients: Opponents relying on legendary creatures? Well fear not, because this turns them all off!
Most of these cards are sub-$2, but they may be somewhat hard to find. Keep an eye out, and your deck will quickly become terrifying.
Also, maybe 5-6 more lands?
2 months ago
Magnivore Where did you hear that? If it starts out as another perm that isnt a legendary creature it cant be never heard the reverse like Elbrus, the Binding Blade Flip. I know Nezumi Graverobber wouldnt work but nothing about Kuon.
3 months ago
I would consider Rancid Rats over the Gutter Skulk just for Skulk usage. Rotting Rats is also commonly overlooked despite its Unearth ability. Even Nezumi Graverobber could be fun if drawn early and provides a bit more utility.
3 months ago
Okay so, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the point of this deck is to use your opponent's best cards against them by first milling them then stealing them from the graveyard.
So in terms of cards that mill, I wouldn't actually use too many, because we want room for abusing those cards in the graveyard. I would say like 21ish? Here are the ones that you have that I think you should keep:
- Mesmeric Orb, which is by far the best mill card. Like, it's not even close. This mills everyone, but it's just so effective in milling. If you worried about milling yourself out (but don't be), either toss in an OG eldrazi titan such as Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre or reanimate Laboratory Maniac or Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar with your deck, since this deck will most likely have a lot of reanimate effects.
- Consuming Aberration
- Jace's Archivist
- Mind Funeral
- Whispering Madness
- Dreamborn Muse
These along with Life's Finale, Jace, Memory Adept, Phenax, God of Deception, Undead Alchemist, Nemesis of Reason, Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker, Trepanation Blade, Keening Stone, Sword of Body and Mind, Mind Grind, Mindcrank, Duskmantle Guildmage (these two are good because of the combo with Bloodchief Ascension, not on their own, obviously), Startled Awake Flip, and Talent of the Telepath puts you right on target of 21. It's a solid mill package, so I'd drop Dismal Failure, Psychic Strike, Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, Liliana of the Veil (I know it seems great, but I really think that a deck like this needs more focus on the goal), and Necromaster Dragon.
Next, the abuse! This is one of the most untapped aspects of many mill decks, and it saddens me. What we need is an array of ways to get effects from opponents' graveyards, but the cards that we have unfortunately usually limit themselves to what card type they can get out of graveyards, such as artifacts, creatures, or instants/sorceries. According to EDHREC.com, the average deck runs 24 creatures, 12 artifacts, and 18 instants + sorceries. Based on those numbers, we should see at least 9 creature-stealing cards, at least 5 artifact stealing cards, and at least 7 instant/sorcery stealing cards, since we probably want 21 of these as well. For the artifact stealing cards, there are only two, and they are Geth, Lord of the Vault and Beacon of Unrest, so lets include 3 tutors to get these two cards as well. Those can be Demonic Tutor, Brainspoil, and Beseech the Queen. Next, the creature ones! I would say the best 9 are Reanimate, Animate Dead, Coffin Queen, Necromancy, Chainer, Dementia Master, Extract from Darkness, Ashen Powder, Sepulchral Primordial, and Nezumi Graverobber. Lastly, the instant/sorceries can be gotten via Memory Plunder, Spelltwine, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Chancellor of the Spires, and Diluvian Primordial, so let's include Ethereal Usher and Netherborn Phalanx to be able to tutor for Memory Plunder if the commander isn't able to do what we need to do and Geth, Lord of the Vault otherwise. These tutors are really going to make sure you get what is best, as opposed to lots of cards like Jace's Mindseeker that get you a random card. What we want is assurance that the card we are getting is going to be impactful.
In short, for the aikido aspect, I suggest dropping Jace's Mindseeker, Phyrexian Metamorph, Puppeteer Clique, Gruesome Encore, Rise from the Grave, and Soul Ransom in order to add Beacon of Unrest, Demonic Tutor, Brainspoil, Beseech the Queen, Reanimate, Animate Dead, Necromancy, Nezumi Graverobber, Coffin Queen, Chainer, Dementia Master, Ashen Powder, Memory Plunder, Ethereal Usher, and Netherborn Phalanx.
That concludes the 43 cards I think you should absolutely run (21 mill, 21 reanimate, Bloodchief Ascension). That gives you 20 slots to put in whatever you would like after you put in the 37 manabase cards, but I think you will probably want about 7 ramp, 7 draw, and 7 spot removal (maybe fit a Laboratory Maniac as mentioned earlier), but I think you got those handled!
And yes, those two cards you mentioned aren't going to work, not necessarily because they're weak, but because they're too expensive when there are better options for cheaper.
4 months ago
4 months ago
Nezumi Graverobber might be a good addition. +1 from me.
4 months ago
5 months ago
Patron of the Nezumi and most all the other mono-black rat ninjas/samurai from the Kamigawa block.
Also, this is one of, like, 3 commander decks that can use Secret Salvage.
Just some thoughts. :)