Dregs of Sorrow
Destroy X target nonblack creatures. Draw X cards.
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|Commander 2014 (C14)||Rare|
|Seventh Edition (7ED)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Dregs of Sorrow Discussion
5 months ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.
Cards to consider cutting to make 100:
- Demon of Catastrophes : not worth sacing a creature to cast it.
- Nightmare : not worth 5 mana, 5 of the mana cost can't be paid with Phyrexian mana.
- Xathrid Gorgon : same as Nightmare.
- Magus of the Coffers : Crypt Ghast , Coffers, Nykthos, Stronghold all better.
- Liliana, the Necromancer
- Ancient Craving
- Dregs of Sorrow
- Avatar of Woe
- Demonlord Belzenlok
- Eternity Vessel
In your forum topic you said you're not worried about reducing the high avg. CMC by cutting high CMC creatures because you can pay Phyrexian mana to reduce their cost. This is true to some degree, but you're not always in every game going to have Krrik on the battlefield, access to Phyrexian mana, and the times when this happens then having a lower avg. CMC will allow you to actually play Magic.
The other problem is why play worse high CMC creatures then Vilis, Broker of Blood , Pontiff of Blight , Sheoldred, Whispering One or Reiver Demon ? There's no reason to jam a bunch of other high CMC creatures just because you can. These creatures especially the interaction of Vilis, Pontiff with Krrik are better than all the other high CMC creatures who are within the budget here. You would rather draw them then the others therefore make it easier to draw them and don't include lots of other high CMC creatures?
Pontiff of Blight giving extort to all creatures you control is good especially if you're playing a life gain strategy. Extort can be paid for with Phyrexian mana, that's what makes it busted. Each extort trigger can be paid with 2 life, but if you have three opponents you gain 3 life for each trigger, you gain 1 life per opponents who loss life. This means you extort for free and also gain 1 life after each trigger. Even if you only have two opponents you're still getting to extort for free because of Phyrexian mana.
Before you can do anything with Krrik and Phyrexian mana you have to get him on the battlefield and this means getting four mana (colorless or black). First priority for upgrades to consider is adding more early game ramp that's within the budget:
- Dark Ritual
- Cabal Ritual
- Bubbling Muck
- Blood Pet
- Everflowing Chalice
- Mind Stone
- Fellwar Stone
- Basalt Monolith
- Crystal Vein
The strength of Krrik is Phyrexian mana, but to take advantage of this you want lots of other one mana cards. When you play Krrik you want to right away start giving him counters:
- Blood Celebrant : with Phyrexian mana this is repeatable 3 life to add , which is busted.
- Scheming Symmetry
- Rain of Filth
- Inquisition of Kozilek
- Aphotic Wisps : can kill an opponent with Commander damage.
- Tainted Strike : can kill an opponent with Infect.
Cremate, Wisps, Tainted are not usually playable cards, but with Krrik they are because they're free to cast and most draw a card. For one mana or free Symmetry can get you Necropotence into your hand.
Two drops are also good, not as good as one drops, but still good value with Phyrexian mana:
- Imp's Mischief : protect Krrik.
- Night's Whisper
- Blood Artist : cares about your opponents' creatures dying too.
- Animate Dead
You could fit Demonic Tutor and Diabolic Intent in here if you wanted by cutting some cards that are by no means as powerful as either because these tutors can get you Necropotence , Bolas's Citadel or Aetherflux Reservoir ; all more impactful cards/game winning cards. Consider cutting these cards to add Demonic/Intent? Most of these cards are high mana cost redundancy which are not needed:
I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.
6 months ago
I have many things in which I’m interested to trade nearly anything for 5x Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper 4x Daghatar the Adamant 1x foil Flameshadow Conjuring 1x Endbringer 1x Matter Reshaper 1x Demon of Catastrophes 1x Rakdos, Lord of Riots 2x Butcher of the Horde 1x One with the Machine 1x Tezzeret, Cruel Machinist 2x Sage-Eye Avengers 1x Stormtide Leviathan 1x Hooded Hydra 1x Draft weekend Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp 2x Mardu Strike Leader 1x Prophet of Kruphix 1x Grand Warlord Radha 1x Boon Satyr 1x Rites of Flourishing 1x Charmbreaker Devils 1x Comet Storm 1x Dregs of Sorrow
1 year ago
Wiki-95 Thanks for all of the valuable suggestions! I will look adding a few of those. I had Dregs of Sorrow in before, but I cut it. I would really like to add Bribery at some point, but I trying to stick to budget additions. Let me know if you think of any others.
1 year ago
Anyway, it depends on what you want from your deck! But strip mine is a white bordered must have. +1 for the nostalgia
1 year ago
Ti consiglio di togliere:
Armillary Sphere, Traveler's Amulet e Wanderer's Twig non mettono le terre in campo, quindi sono molto lente. Meglio rampare velocemente con Sword of the Animist, oppure accelerare con Sol Ring, Caged Sun o Black Market.
In ogni caso, ti suggerirei di avere 2/3 boardwipe nel mazzo, gestisciteli tu. In un mono-nero, non posso che consigliarti vivamente Mutilate, oppure anche In Garruk's Wake. Due tizi fighi che spazzano solo le cose degli altri, a proposito, anche se non sono vampiri, sono Dread Cacodemon e Reiver Demon.
Hai tanti single target removal, tipo 10-11 (contando anche Hex, Dregs of Sorrow...). Valuta tu se magari tagliarne 2/3 e mettere qualche vampiro in più, come Twilight Prophet, Champion of Dusk, Mirri the Cursed, Drana, Liberator of Malakir, Necropolis Regent o Defiant Bloodlord.
La tua mana base è un po' fatta di corsa, valuta sostituire qualche Swamp con delle utility lands come: Barren Moor, Mortuary Mire, Bojuka Bog, Myriad Landscape, Crypt of Agadeem, Cabal Stronghold. Se ti va, c'è sempre la combo Dark Depths + Vampire Hexmage.
1 year ago
Yea I didn't either and had to use starcity's advanced search engine to find the one sided board wipe in black. Like I suggested before arena and erebos have been my go to's for black card draw so I'd try those in place of serum and ideal.
I like the concept of Dregs of Sorrow but how I view it is like this, at dregs worse it kills a creature and draws a card for 6 mana, normally taking up a turn of play; at its best with infinite mana it's a one sided board wipe with limited card draw. At reivers worse it is a 6/6 flying beater; at its best it's a one sided board wipe that allows you to swing all out at an Opponent and take control of the tempo of the game.
1 year ago
Ares111123 I never thought of Reiver Demon as an option. I think it depends on what draw cards I put in in place of Serum Visions and Fallen Ideal because I like that Dregs of Sorrow destroys creatures and draws cards. Even if it is a slightly worse board wipe than Reiver Demon.
I really appreciate the feedback on the 8 non-zombie creatures I got going on. I've personally never run into that problem yet but being as that you did it's obviously a possibility so Arcane Adaptation should probably find a home in here unless i trade out some non-zombs for zombs.