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Creature — Zombie Barbarian
, Discard a card: Return Undead Gladiator from your graveyard to your hand. Play this ability only during your upkeep.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
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Undead Gladiator Discussion
1 month ago
julls I do think Desecrated Tomb could work in your deck definitely could open up some interesting combos. Sac two tokens get a huge creature from your graveyard crate another token isn't bad. problem is you kind of need to have that engine running for it to get value. Its at least worth play testing to see if you get enough value out of it throughout a normal game.
Yeah dredge can be rough when you need the draw but you could look into other forms of card draw like: Greed, Underworld Connections, Arguel's Blood Fast, Erebos, God of the Dead, Mind's Eye but it can hurt not having one of these cards for the draw. But don't sleep on dredge its very good with graveyard decks.
Memory Jar would also be sick in this deck discards a shit ton of cards and you can make sure to hold it until you have means to use those discarded cards. Can also really screw with other players game plans.
Some random other suggestions that you might find interest in: Undead Gladiator, Asylum Visitor, Chains of Mephistopheles, Dark Deal, Nihilistic Glee, Necromancer's Stockpile, Bazaar of Baghdad, Sea Gate Wreckage, Black Market, Trading Post
2 months ago
3 months ago
Week 2 Changes:
- Temple of the False God becomes Cabal Stronghold
- Vampiric Rites becomes Carrion Feeder
- Fell Shepherd becomes Kokusho, the Evening Star
- Harvester of Souls becomes Noxious Gearhulk
- Morkrut Banshee becomes Cryptbreaker
- Reaper from the Abyss becomes Pawn of Ulamog
- Necromantic Selection becomes Undead Gladiator
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury becomes Noosegraf Mob
- The Eldest Reborn becomes Viscera Seer
4 months ago
Week 1 Changes:
6 months ago
@smashadams83. I love Crop Rotation and think it can be an all-star in the right deck (like this one: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shattergang-lands-brewing/) but I think Id rather run Sylvan Scrying in a list like this. You lose instant speed and have to pay one more mana, but you dont have to sacrifice a land. There are several utility lands this deck wants to find like Shizo or Oran Reif so you should always have a target to dig for. That said, if you have access to Demonic Tutor its obviously way better.
I used to own a copy of Yavimaya Hollow back in the day (when it was a sub $10 card) but it was destroyed in a flood. Ive been meaning to get another copy and I think its a great investment (reserved list and all) but I just havent gotten around to it. Ill definitely pick one up when I can.As far as protection for Hapatra goes, I run less than you, only Greaves. I should probably play Boots as well and may still try to find space for it. She is pretty essential to the strategy of the deck so devoting resources to keeping her on the field is a good call. I prefer Sword of Feast and Famine to Whispersilk Cloak. It provides just a huge payoff for connecting.
Good moves with Bitterblossom and Westvale Abbey Flip. I agree about Rogue's Passage being too costly for this deck. I also have added Forbidden Orchard to my list of cards to acquire for this deck. Seems like a perfect fit, great find. I feel good about my current number of cycling lands (5) along with Geier Reach Sanitarium, I want to be careful of using too many ETB tapped lands because its often a good move to get Hapatra in on turn 2.
There are two other lands Ive been considering. 1) Pendelhaven: This deck has a ton of 1/1s so why not give this a shot over a random forest? In the event Hapatra has to target herself with a counter on turn 3 this could beef her up into a 2/3 on her next combat. Also 2/3 snakes (not as important) and 2/3 faeries. Definitely not essential but the price drop after the Masters 25 reprint caught my attention.
2) Command Beacon: Having to pay 6 or 8 mana for Hapatra can be a real drag late in the game. I like this land in my decks that run expensive commanders, but I think it has a place here as well. I just want to be careful about having too many colorless lands.
Slate of Ancestry is amazing when it is on but really inconsistent, due to how costly it is to activate. I dont think its uncuttable but if I do swap it out Id want to replace it with draw. I do really like the idea of Evolutionary Leap but I dont think its a good 1 for 1 swap. Another draw effect could be Deathreap Ritual, but honestly it just seems like a bad Phyrexian Arena.
The other creatures you suggested besides Undead Gladiator seem too costly for the return effect, even Genesis. I used to run that card in every green deck but I feel like the format has sped up and its just so slow these days. Its not bad, but I dont think this deck can make enough mana to take advantage of it consistently. That said, I dont think we would even need too many of these effects. Survival of the Fittest can always just search up the Gladitaor and pitch him to find another creature, same with Fauna Shaman, albeit more slowly.
As Ive played with my list Ive become less enthusiastic about the Protean Hulk direction and I dont think Im going to try it. I like my current big green creatures as a Natural Order package and if I wanted to run another one Id probably try Terastodon or Woodfall Primus. Fierce Empath is a great alternative to Natural Order though and Id definitely run it if I didnt have a copy of NO.
I like Golgari Charm along with/instead of Heroic Intervention. I havent been able to find room for either card but I definitely think I should be running at least one of them. if I was only going to run one of them I think I like charm more because it has more applications, even though the save my stuff mode is more limited.
Regarding Life from the Loam you definitely want to have enough recursion to make it worthwhile. Im running more than you in Dread Return, Victimize, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth (along with Eternal Witness and Journey to Eternity Flip) and Id run more if I could find space for it. Dread Return is particularly nice with Loam as you can flash it back fairly easily so its not a huge deal if you dump it in the yard. Still, this is more of a token deck than a graveyard deck and dredging isnt really what I want to be doing every game, its just nice as an option. In the average game where I cast Loam I probably only dredge once or twice, if at all. Getting 2-3 lands back to your hand is often good enough as a one shot effect. Zulaport Cutthroat has been fantastic for me so far and I think I want to find room for Blood Artist as well. I do find myself missing sacrifice outlets when I get Cutthroat on the field though. I may have to find room for Yahenni after all .Ive been really enjoying our discussion!
6 months ago
Geier reach sanitarium looks great, ill have to add that to my list. do you think that Crop Rotation would be a good way to find it, or another utility land?
Another all star land for me has been Yavimaya Hollow. I would recommend getting one as its great for protecting hapatra. its a little pricey, but totally worth it. Ive justified the price tag but just rotating it throughout all my green decks. I cut Whispersilk Cloak for the Sword of Feast and Famine, not sure this was the right cut but i still have Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots in the list. Do you think these 3 are necessary for protection?
I added Bitterblossom to my list as I think that your logic in needing more token producers is correct. Having flying blockers is relevant as well. I also added Westvale Abbey Flip and removed Rogue's Passage. passage seemed nice as a way to make hapatra unblockable but the activation cost is just too high for this deck and I never used it much.
I also wanted to recommend Forbidden Orchard. It helps to color fix, is an untapped land, and is great for putting more targets into play for -1/-1 counters. I find alot of times i run out hapatra on turn 2 and there are no other targets besides her to put a counter on, so this should help with that.
Also if you want another cycling land we can put in Polluted Mire.
How has Slate of Ancestry been working? I put it in my list but it seems kinda slow, although I haven't been able to really use it yet.
Sounds like life from the loam has been great. Honestly, I've never used this type of dredge strategy and I'm worried about discarding a win con ( like craterhoof or the archfiend) when dredging. What are your thoughts on this? is the risk worth the reward here? Maybe more recursion is correct if life from the loam is included?
I agree that the creature count is low. I've played a few games where I have nothing to discard to fauna shaman or survival. And Undead Gladiator looks like a great inclusion.
I cant think of many other creatures to recur to our hand, maybe Genesis? discarding it will turn on the ability we want anyway. How about something like Evolutionary Leap? With all the tokens we should be able to activate it multiple times in a turn if necessary to get some creatures into the hand.
Golgari Guildmage could work but its an expensive activation cost.
Sanitarium Skeleton could work as a creature to discard and return to hand.
Stinkweed Imp is a nice utility creature but dredging 5 seems too high for this deck.
Could Grave-Shell Scarab work here?
Its too bad that we don't have more creatures with relevant keywords for something like Mwonvuli Beast Tracker. its a nice creature tutor along with Fierce Empath. Actually, fierce empath might be nice for finding hulk or craterhoof. I guess if we are looking to up the creature count these could be nice utility guys but you're probably right in using wood elves and steve as utility creatures to ramp and possibly discard later on in the game if necessary.
6 months ago
@smashadams83, I got a few play tests in with my list and so far so good. Archfiend of Ifnir has been performing really well. One card that's been a total all star is Geier Reach Sanitarium. Having another on board discard effect is priceless with Archfiend. I also want to reiterate how excellent Life From The Loam is in a deck with so many cycling lands. I love seeing it in my opening hand, especially if I have a cycling land. Turn one basic, cycle Barren Moor or Tranquil Thicket, into turn 2 Loam is just great value.
I think my creature count is too low. With Suvival, and Fauna Shaman I would ideally be running 27-30 creatures. I'm going to be trying to find ways to slide more creatures into my list. I'll probably cut some of my non-creature ramp for more creature based options as well as looking for cuts elsewhere. One creature I've been considering that could be Ifnir tech is Undead Gladiator. Not only does it have cycling but it can kind of become it's own perpetual discard engine. It could also be helpful to pull out of the yard if an extra creature spell is needed for Survival or Fauna Shaman. What do you think?
I'm bumping Shizo up to the top of my acquisition list, I definitely need more ways to sneak Hapatra in for damage.
1 year ago
how much money do you want to spend on cards that can boost this deck in this deck ?
ADDons i would suggest and definitly worth in a cycling / Discard deck - Haakon, Stromgald Scourge - Undead Gladiator - Necromancer's Stockpile - Beseech the Queen - Cryptbreaker - Expedition Map - Dark Petition - Rise of the Dark Realms - Solemn Simulacrum - Burnished Hart - Conspiracy
all these cards can boost your deck or help your deck in my opinion. the question is how much do you want to spend