Forbidden Orchard

Land

{T}: Add one mana of any colour.

Whenever you tap Forbidden Orchard for mana, target opponent creates a 1/1 colourless Spirit creature token.

Tokens

• Spirit 1/1 C

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (51)

Foxigami on Spiteful Avatar

7 months ago

wow these are awesome suggestions!

first. i totally misread Spiteful Banditry, thought it could make a treasure token for each token killed. BirdieGirlie while some of the suggestions for cards are not modern legal (Grismold, the Dreadsower, Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor, and Sylvan Offering); thank you for the suggestions! legendofa your deck looks very fun, gave me some fun ideas as well as got me into a rabbit hole of finding even more cards to consider.

first the land base was copied from another deck that is another variation of this idea. I already have some ideas on how to change it.

i would have to agree that we have too many pieces doing the same thing. while it does help with make the deck more consistent with damaging the opponents for having creatures, this deck needs more token generation. i am leaning at Slaughter Specialist and Tribute to Horobi  ^Flip. Slaughter Specialist in this deck can be a wincon on its own with how much mass creature removal this deck has; Tribute to Horobi  ^Flip for generating tokens and the flipside is also neat if the opponent still has the rat tokens.

i think removal wise, i would be keen on removing one of the creatures as Blood Artist is can be a wincon on its own with the mass creature removal we have. Suture Priest is also way too good to not include as mentioned before, so i think removing Blood Seeker is the call, though there is a world were you could keep it. that world is if we want to cut out out white from this deck and add Slaughter Specialist and Cavern of Souls for the vampire tribal action. something i will have to consider.

Mercy Killing looks soo good on paper, but in practice it is a dead card against non-creature decks. it could work if we consider Hunted Horror, but it is a sideboard piece for sure though.

Hunted Troll is very fun, but also very slow. but the regeneration ability does give it potential. probably replace 2 copies of Avatar of Might with it.

Hunted Phantasm is too good for this deck to be considered for removal. the amount of damage it could dish when we have our game plan online is a wincon on its own and its stats and unblockable ability can close out games too. however it will depend on what color direction i go with this deck. more about that later on.

i would agree that ramp and card draw is very important and this deck needs some. Sylvan Scrying would be such a great card in this deck. it being able to find Forbidden Orchard is too valuable as well as fixing mana problems.

now there is one thing i have found that no one suggested, that would be The Phasing of Zhalfir. at first this card seems to be a slow token generator as it is a saga, however the read ahead ability gives makes it even better. we can board wipe and generate tons of tokens on both sides of the field for 4 mana. the possibilities are very high for this card: first if we have a lot of tokens on the board with Blood Artist out, that will be a lot of damage and life gained. second if we have Trespasser's Curse out, that is even more damage. finally you have the option to phase out an important piece that would be wiped by this card at the cost of tempo. good for if the opponent has a big creature to answer Avatar of Might or if you need to protect something at sorcery speed. def going to replace Spiteful Banditry with it. another

now for color directions this deck can go. boy there is a lot. first lets talk about the colors we cant remove. black should never be removed, too many synergy pieces are in black. green also is paramount with Avatar of Might, Sylvan Scrying, and Golgari Charm. every other color could be removed in favor of making this deck 3 or 4 colors. if we include white, we would be considering Suture Priest, Ghostly Prison, Authority of the Consuls, and Parting Gust. this makes the deck more controlling. adding blue gives us Hunted Phantasm, Swan Song, Strix Serenade, The Phasing of Zhalfir, and Into the Flood Maw. adding red gives us Spiteful Banditry (even if it isnt good), Rakdos Charm and Sazacap's Brew. we have a lot of flexibility to even splash colors. overall we have some pretty good options. i apreciate all the help so far and cant wait to see how this deck will end up looking like!

Profet93 on Toshiro Umezawa Spellslinger Control

8 months ago

SufferFromEDHD +1

Forbidden Orchard - To always have a creature to target/destroy + politics

Lashwrithe > Nightmare lash - Option to use mana to equip + comes with a token attached.

Sword of Wealth and Power/Glamdring > Spellbinder - High equip cost, chance for 2 for 1, and requires instants in hand. The casting without paying is nice but I believe having your commander be pro instants + sorceries is huge as they need to interact prior to combat. Not to mention the first strike on Glamdring.

Demonic Tutor > Mastermind's acquisition?

Shizo, Death's Storehouse > Swamp

Instants to Consider

Sheoldred's Edict - Removal with an option

Defile - Not needed but can pack a punch

Dismember - A bit expensive but flexible. Might be worth noting

Grim Return - Cute, especially with ETB effects

Force of Despair - Interact while tapped out

Card Questions

Dash Hopes - How has this been playing for you? Seems like they just lose 5 life for 2 mana.

Liability - Is this impactful enough? I feel it can backfire and the upside isn't incredibly strong. Although, it does wreck token decks with a board wipe.

Mirrorpool - One of my favorite cards! What is your target with it usually, I don't see any incredible payoffs.

TehGrief on At what point can I …

11 months ago

I am trying to understand this comprehensive rule:

605.3a "A player may activate an activated mana ability whenever they have priority, whenever they are casting a spell or activating an ability that requires a mana payment, or whenever a rule or effect asks for a mana payment, even if it’s in the middle of casting or resolving a spell or activating or resolving an ability."

Does this mean that I need to have a reason to tap a land for mana, such as a cost? I cannot tap my lands to produce mana for no reason?

For example, am I able to tap Forbidden Orchard without paying a cost in order to give an opponent the 1/1 token?

RiotRunner789 on Death by Tokens

11 months ago

Tainted Remedy was in because a deck like this wins after a cascade of opponent life loss triggers. This can be easily disrupted by lifegain on the opponents side. However, y'all are correct in that it doesn't advance my game plan. Chop chop.

Bloodchief Ascension is a pet card. It is also a card that has won me numerous games on its own. It would be easy enough to get 3 counters with Kambal's trigger but again, not directly tied to tokens. Good suggestion albeit a painful one.

Halo Fountain just seemed like a fun and wierd alt-win con but your right that it is slow. It also requires me to have tapped creatures.

Going to take a closer look at the aristocrats support. I cut a lot of the sac outlets earlier which was a good observation. Nadier's Nightblade and Mirkwood Bats will definitely stay but a lot of the others can go. Also, Ophiomancer and Dreadhorde Invasion don't work at the level they should without a sac outlet on the board.

Not sure about Battle Angels of Tyr just yet, since just attacking creates token copies of himself. But he'll be close to the cut list.

Part of the reasoning on the number of board wipes was the number of indestructible options for Kambal. Will cut at least one board wipe tonight.

Refering to Basshunter's commnent, I haven't put the final mana base in just yet but Forbidden Orchard will be in there. Mana bases tend to only take me 5 minutes to build. I have some effects that give tokens to my opponents but I'm leaning more heavily into Kambal's second ability. I've generally been looking at consistent token generation instead of one off effects aimed at my opponents. However, Curse of Disturbance will get another look.

Thank you for all of the comments. It definetly gets me much further to completion.

Basshunter on Death by Tokens

11 months ago

Hi, imo you need more token creators that create tokens for everyone or for your enemies. You dont need tokens for your own...think about cards like Forbidden Orchard, Hunted Horror, Slaughter Specialist, Curse of Disturbance, Tombstone Stairwell, Clackbridge Troll, Infernal Genesis, Hunted Lammasu, Tribute to Horobi  ^Flip, Shadrix Silverquill You should cut cards like Ophiomancer, Skrelv's Hive or Bitterblossom

CardTyrant on Ixalan Park

1 year ago

Profet93 Thank you for the questions and upvote. :D

To answer the question about drawing, I don't have an issue with gas so much since most of my dinosaurs have high mana costs. I don't really have a huge issue with drawing cards, but if I draw a dinosaur, Gishath cannot call on them later on because they are in my hand. The deck really revolves around Gishath and his ability to call on others when he deals damage. I have considered adding cards that allow me to return a card to the deck to draw a card. IF I get a second Rishkar's Expertise, I will be adding it to the deck in the near future.

Forbidden Orchard can be cut, I just haven't gotten around to it. A 1/1 spirit really isn't a threat to my deck as this deck has slowly become a dinosaur trample deck. So I can use the 1/1 spirit as a political tool if anything.

Yavimaya Hollow is an interesting suggestion. I tend to overlook 'regenerate' cards, just because it's not as used anymore, but I might switch out Orchard for the Hollow.

livingrock That is funny, having Gishath summon itself with Noxious Revival. However, since I play the deck almost entirely against my wife 1v1, she knows to block Gishath to where I can't get even a single card with its ability. I'm sure my LGS playgroup (if I ever get one) will also figure that trick out really fast since I almost always play dinos. Chaosphere is such a good card! My wife ran one in her planeswalker deck, even though I only have one deck that flies. If she ever takes the deck apart, that is one of two cards I have been eyeing.

Crow_Umbra Thanks for trying to get me there, but even if I did get there, I want more. I really like the fact that I've made a deck on TappedOut that people voted to the top of the list. It is something I brag about and am really proud of.

SufferFromEDHD on Imodane blows stuff up

1 year ago

Forbidden Orchard for one guaranteed target each turn.

Shivan Meteor and Into the Maw of Hell Eldrazi sized removal/Imodane damage.

Run all the Lightning Bolt variants.

Azoth2099 on Miracle Wizard | You shall not pass! (LOTR Theme)

1 year ago

StyxOG

Yeah man, dialing in the landbase is so crucial for consistency, it can't be overstated. Personally, I try to keep the curve on my decks below 2.00 if I can manage it, which allows me to cut down to 30 lands and retain speed along with ~10 mana rocks and perhaps a few rituals depending on the build. Your build's got plenty of rocks, don't be afraid to cut down a bit as you switch things up.

https://m.managathering.com/trilands/jeskai.html

Here's all the applicable lands within the color combo. Even upon refinement, I'd imagine that your deck will include a few that come in tapped under specific conditions like Spirebluff Canal & Training Center, but that's fine. Just be discerning as to how often they'll realistically come on untapped (quite often).

I'd obviously also recommend the 5-color lands like Mana Confluence & City of Brass if you can afford them or are willing to proxy them. Cheaper options like Command Tower, Spire of Industry & Gemstone Mine, Forbidden Orchard & Exotic Orchard aren't to be forgotten either.

The only colorless lands I'd consider on a budget are Crystal Vein & Emergence Zone. If budget/proxy constraints aren't an issue, I'd also consider Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors & Boseiju, Who Shelters All.

Also give Mystical Tutor, Enlightened Tutor & Gamble a shot for sure. They just got reprinted, they're super cheap right now! Speaking of sick reprints, Sapphire Medallion, Ruby Medallion, Pearl Medallion & Smothering Tithe have all seen big price drops lately. Gotta strike while the iron is hot, ya know...

Lastly, I'd recommend testing out fellow {W}{U}{R} all-stars Elsha of the Infinite since you're running Sensei's Divining Top so heavily & Kykar, Wind's Fury, which can be utilized as both a wincon & and absurd value engine here with what you've already got going on.