Overwhelmed Apprentice

Creature — Human Wizard

When Overwhelmed Apprentice enters the battlefield, each opponent mills two cards. Then you scry 2. (To mill a card, a player puts the top card of their library into their graveyard. Look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them on the bottom of your library and the rest on top in any order.)

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (40)

SufferFromEDHD on Millhouse | Bruvac Petitioners [Primer]

1 year ago

Perhaps Overwhelmed Apprentice? Synergy with Mass Appeal, Herald's Horn and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx were as Preordain is just a one shot.

GigaChadReal on Hard miller

1 year ago

That's true, yet Fraying Sanity I would like to keep all 4 because it can double milled cards and more of them make them mill more. The only reason I have Psychic Corrosion is because of Jace, Memory Adept and if I use it's -7 ability on myself and my opponent with psychic corrosion out then if they have 60 cards left in their deck before the ability is used then I win the game but he's also a lot of mana and there is only 1 of him so I would scrap him and Psychic Corrosion. I will keep both crabs and remove Fleet Swallower because of mana. And Overwhelmed Apprentice because it's not that good. And scrap the Jace's Phantasm idea.

wallisface on Hard miller

1 year ago

Some thoughts:

• don’t remove the Hedron Crab. Competitively speaking, Hedron Crab and Ruin Crab are the only 2 creatures ever worth playing in a mill deck! Jace's Phantasm is not a helpful card as it doesn’t do any milling, and is just diluting the primary goal of milling your opponent.

• a game should never go so long that Fleet Swallower can be cast… i would suggest ditching it

• A good way to evaluate mill spells is to compare them to burn spells. In burn, 3 damage (aka Lightning Bolt) is the bare minimum damage a spell needs to do. Spells like Shock, doing 2 damage, aren’t helpful, as you run out of resources in-hand well-before the game is close to being won. Mill cards, in a similar vein, need to generally mill at least 8 cards to be worthwhile. So stuff like Overwhelmed Apprentice, and Tome Scour just aren’t worth it (Mind Sculpt is borderline).

• Psychic Corrosion is also not great for similar reasons as above. By the time its cast you’re unlikely to be drawing enough cards in the remainder of the game to make it worthwhile.

• Fraying Sanity is a trap card, and i wouldn’t suggest playing more than a single copy, if any. By the time its down your opponent should already be heavily milled, so oftentimes the card only equates to milling as much as a single millspell anyway. Drawing a second copy of this card is prettymuch a dead draw and can often cost you the game.

• both the planewalkers are just too slow, imo.

• i think you need more interaction. Mill can’t rely on winning races, so you need ways to throw the opponent off-kilter

Dete on Kess EDH

1 year ago

mirar primero ''combos sin ne...''

magecraft:Veyran, Voice of Duality/Ral, Storm Conduit/Storm-Kiln Artist/Deekah, Fractal Theorist/Professor Onyx

algunas cartas q si prodian ir, tutors y otro par de cositas.

Cormela, Glamour Thief, Simian Spirit Guide

Bonus Round

Intuition, Tainted Pact, Gamble

Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Indulgence

combos sin necesidad de hacer storm, por q magecraft esta roto

Chain of Smog+Sedgemoor Witch/ magecraft y otro par de cartas mas.

Dualcaster Mage+Release to the Wind/Twinflame/otro par de weas mas

Dualcaster Mage+Ghostly Flicker+Piranha Marsh/Overwhelmed Apprentice algo q tenga un etb o una tierra normal pa mana infinito

Dualcaster Mage+Acrobatic Maneuver

cosas q se pueden sacar

Young Pyromancer => Sedgemoor Witch si es q poni chain of smog obvio

Jace's Sanctum ya teni otros 3 q hacen reduccion, hasta sacaria 1 mas

Thousand-Year Storm real es la raja pero demasiado setup, mejor poner Bonus Round

Mana Geyser/Jeska's Will muy pocas cosas con rojo

muchas weas muchas weas, lo intente ordenar lo mejor posible y probalemente se puedan sacar hasrtas cartas mas

wallisface on A Modern Mono Mill of Maddening Magnitude

2 years ago

Some thoughts, keeping in mind your budget:

• You claim your “fastest win” was turn 7… that’s waaay too slow, and i’m very surprised you weren’t killed before that turn- even the slowest of decks should be able to close-out a game before then. As a mill deck, you should be aiming to win by turn 5 at the very latest.

• it’s good to compare mill cards to their burn-equvalents, as this can be a good gauge of whether they’re worth running. For example Tome Scour almost directly matches Shock, and we all know Shock is an unplayable card in Burn due to just providing too little for a card. Similarly, Tome Scour isn’t worth it, as it expends a card from your hand for very, very low value - it’s simply not going to get the job done, and it’ll leave you with too few resources.

• on the same vein as above, boh of Overwhelmed Apprentice and Wall of Lost Thoughts aren’t worth running either (equating to around 0.8 and 1.6 “damage”, they make Shock look fantastic by comparison). The only creatures ever worth running in a mill deck are Ruin Crab and Hedron Crab… if Hedron is out of your budget, then just stick with Ruin, but don’t add in this other junk.

• Following on from this, Didn't Say Please and Thought Collapse don’t mill enough to warrant paying 3 mana for. If you want countermagic, run Mana Leak and/or Counterspell you don’t need the extra 3-card-mill, but you will need the option to counter stuff starting turn-2.

• All 4 of the enchantment choices here are super weak, and more likely to lose you the game to help you. Most of them require you play them asap, and then work very hard towards making them profitable - meaning they become effectively dead-draws mid-late game, and not-exactly-great early game. I could see a single copy of Fraying Sanity working, but 2 copies is too risky (the card isn’t great, and drawing the second copy will be effectively the same as not drawing at all, costing you the game).

• Traumatize is never worth it. The game should be ending turn 5. This card just doesn’t get you there. Often its just a 5-mana “mill 5-10” cards, depending on the opponents remaining deck so late into the game.

• You should be running playsets of both Fractured Sanity and Maddening Cacophony. They’re both cheap cards, and tbh your deck isn’t going to work without them.

• I would suggest going up to 22 lands, your current count feels quite low.

• I’d suggest running Field of Ruin, as a way to trigger Ruin Crab more often.

• it feels like you really want to be playing 2-colors. Adding black gives you access to both Fatal Push and Crypt Incursion, which both buy you time. It also lets you play Extirpate, to strip the most important cards from your opponents deck

RDWDTR on General Mills

2 years ago

• Ruin Crab loses a lot of its punch without Hedron Crab and fetch lands backing it up. It's still worth the playset but I just thought I'd let you in on this since the other guy didn't. The optimal version of this deck is heavily based around running both crabs with fetches (it also typically runs a second color, either white or black). You could try Evolving Wilds and/or Terramorphic Expanse to mimic this, but you're going to really slow the deck down. The optimal version is also heavily based around an expensive card called Archive Trap. Something like Sphinx's Tutelage could help fill this void.

• Glacial Grasp, Thought Collapse and Vedalken Entrancer are terrible cards, you don't want them in your deck, trust me. I'd mainboard Dismembers for removal, use plain ol' Counterspells, and play literally any other blue creature respectively.

• You could play the full 4 of Sanity Grinding.

• Very spicy Sword of Body and Mind, but I really think this slot could be put to better use, especially given the $ value of the card. You don't have many good creatures to even equip it to. Now, if you had a few Jace's Phantasms, that might be a different story. A 5/5 flyer for 1 mana is already nuts, but now it's a 7/7 that mills for 10 and makes wolves.

• You need some stronger control elements. I'd play more counterspells in the sideboard... Mana Leak, Negate, and Essence Scatter are all worth experimenting with. You'll get way more mileage out of those cards than something like Thought Scour or Jace Beleren. You could experiment with Unsummon effects too, they pair nicely with counters.

• You should consider an alternate win condition. I know this is supposed to be a mill deck, but there are going to be matchups where this won't work (at least not in the budget version). You could accept that and not care, or you could make some concessions. To that end, I would propose just playing like an honest control deck and running 1-2 Prognostic Sphinx or Sphinx of the Final Word. It doesn't have to be mainboard.

• Manic Scribe, Overwhelmed Apprentice and Wall of Lost Thoughts are low quality cards that happen to fit your theme. They're not as bad as the other three I singled out, but these would still be among the first places I made cuts.

Clyde96 on Harmonic Prodigy and triggered abilities

2 years ago

Hey guys! What would happen if I had a Harmonic Prodigy in the field and I play Overwhelmed Apprentice? As I understand the come into play ability from Overwhelmed Apprentice is a trigger ability ("when"), the trigger being it coming into play. So I think it would trigger twice and the opponent would have to put 4 cards into the graveyard and I would first scry 2 and then scry 2 again. Is this correct?

multimedia on Processing Throat Pain with Yuriko

2 years ago

Hey, nice changes, good job. Bolas's Citadel is a powerful card, if you have it definitely play it. Overwhelmed Apprentice is a fine placeholder and being another one drop is good. Consider more one drops who have evasion? It would be worth it to include more one drops who have evasion even if they aren't a Rogue or Ninja.

One drops are not just good to get Yuriko onto the battlefield faster they're also excellent for game play with all other Ninjas. Being able to attack with a one drop not blocked then Ninjutsu a Ninja and then after combat cast that one drop to repeat the sequence next turn with another Ninja. You're only having to use one mana to potentially set up your next turn which is very mana efficient combined with low Ninjutsu costs. This efficiency lets you increase your board state while also being able to leave mana open for instant interaction with opponents which is important in multiplayer Commander.