Ramos, Dragon Engine Interaction
Asked by Danno1011 5 years ago
So Jodah, Archmage Eternal and Fist of Suns have the exact same rules text as far as casting spells with the 5 colors. Does this mean that they have the same effect on Ramos, Dragon Engine? There seems to be a disagreement in our playgroup over this and given they are worded the exact same i don't see why they both would not work the same for Ramos' +1/+1 ability. I know that the counters are dependent on the spells CMC but they should work the same.
freshdemon says... #2
yup cdkime is correct.
Jodah and Fist of Suns do not alter the card in any way. They change what you have to pay for it. An Etched Oracle would work with them, because it cares what is PAYED for it and not what color it is. But Ramos only cares about the cards colors
Caerwyn says... Accepted answer #1
Ramos only cares about the spell’s colour, not the mana spent to cast the spell. Even if Fist of Suns or Jodah are used as an alternate mana cost, the colour of the spell remains the same. Spawnsire of Ulamog will still produce 0 +1/+1 counters and Nekusar, the Mindrazer will produce 3 counters.
Edit: CMC refers to the total cost of the spell, and cares not about colour. Sol Ring and Llanowar Elves have the same CMC, though their casting costs are quite different.
July 7, 2018 12:34 p.m. Edited.