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Mana Maze Discussion
2 months ago
First things first: All EDH decks need ramp. Unfortunately for UB decks, most of the ramp in the game is in green or occasionally red (see Orcish Lumberjack ). That means artifacts are the way to go. I advise Dimir Signet , Talisman of Dominance and MindStone (maybe) as relatively affordable cards you can use for ramp; but since you're running Mox Diamond , I might as well mention Grim Monolith and Mox Opal . Your artifact count is a little low for the opal, though, but that may change as the deck evolves.
I see you've included Changeling Outcast . Consider running Mothdust Changeling as another evasive, one-drop ninja. Mist-Syndicate Naga and Silent-Blade Oni are excellent ninjas as well; you should at least consider Throatseeker . Baleful Strix is another creature to consider, as returning it to your hand with ninjutsu allows you to draw more than one card with it after you cast it additional times. It is also hard to block, and can make a formidable blocker on its own.
Cavern of Souls is an excellent include, if you have access to it. It's usually a lot more integral, but you'll likely be using the ninjutsu ability most of the time rather than casting your guys. Still, keep it in mind.
Running Jace, the Mind Sculptor seems good here, though he is over $100 nowadays; I must admit I am having a hard time determining the deck's budget, mostly because of the Mox Diamond and Mana Crypt . Note also that, as you're already including Sensei's Divining Top , Scroll Rack and potentially Jace, the Mind Sculptor , you can consider running Counterbalance . Counterbalance is generally a high-variance card in EDH, but I've had some success with it in the past.
In my Tasigur, the Golden Fang deck, I run a similar combo-kill of casting Nexus of Fate repeatedly with an otherwise empty library. I use Tainted Pact to get rid of my library, running a single basic and snow basic of each type. Crafting your mana base carefully might allow you to run Tainted Pact too -- give thought to lands like Ancient Tomb , Cephalid Coliseum or Cabal Pit . If that doesn't work, Demonic Consultation with Nexus of Fate in hand is also good.
If your meta is filled with combo decks (I know mine is), Arcane Laboratory is a good option, especially since ninjutsu isn't an alternate casting cost; Mana Maze is similar. Dispel is a counter-counter spell I've found tremendously useful, especially since it can stop an opposing ad nauseum right away.
Raven's Crime seems like a good way to use up excess lands you draw.
Not sure how much I like Aether Vial in an EDH deck. Yes, your creature-curve is low and very consistent, but drawing it later in the game, especially if you're behind, has all the feel-bad-ness in the world. Maybe Leyline of Anticipation is better? It allows all your spells to go in at instant speed, flips for an extra three damage off a Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow trigger, and can begin the game occasionally on the table for free. Yes, it is still dead if drawn late, but it isn't AS dead in that it immediately takes full effect; Aether Vial requires two or three turns to become powerful, and then only works with creatures.
Time Stretch is an extra-turn card to consider, though it may be too expensive to cast.
Mystic Remora is good in most blue decks, especially if your opening hand is otherwise slow. Players have to either play around it, which slows the game enough for you to catch up, or play into it, which can easily make it an Ancestral Recall . I personally think it is a better card than Rhystic Study , if only because by T3 you probably want to be doing other things with your mana.
Thirst for Knowledge , Painful Truths , Chart a Course , Notion Thief and Night's Whisper are all worth considering as efficient draw-engines. Notion Thief feels especially brutal when cast as a response to an opposing Brainstorm .
Ok man -- that's all I got. Good luck with deck building!
3 months ago
Some of my favorite Esper taxes:
- Mana Breach
- Mana Maze
- Season of the Witch
- War Tax
- Web of Inertia
4 months ago
You seem to be running two copies of Voltaic Key ... I don't think that's allowed in EDH.
If you're playing Mono-Blue good stuff, I highly suggest Mystic Remora as a source of early card advantage.
In mono-blue, you might want to consider Back to Basics .
I don't think you should run Bonehoard , because your general counters the first equip activation.
Strip Mine is useful as a 1-of effect to take out The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale or other obnoxious lands. I don't think you need the Wasteland as well; you may have more luck with just a basic Island , especially if you choose to run Back to Basics .
Consecrated Sphinx is good as a value blue card. The card advantage is just nuts.
Good luck with deck building!
8 months ago
Why even call it Cedh when it's just an edh deck with sub-optimal card choices.
What is the reason for running Forbidden Orchard in a two-color deck (you're not going to tell me it's necessary for color fixing when you're on two colors...)
Gush -> Delve draw cards or the pull from something is way better than this... even though it's funny you can and others can't it is not a card to run outside of doomsday piles... or monoblue 1v1 decks...
Illumination ? why hamstring yourself with super specific counters?
Pact of Negation Not a fan of the card outside of fast combo decks...
Rushing River what in the?
AEther Barrier Doesn't really do anything.
Blind Obedience What are those! doesn't do anything for you!
Frozen AEther What are those! doesn't do anything for you!
Kismet What are those! doesn't do anything for you!
Mana Maze so you also block yourself?
Orb of Dreams cool! and?
Static Orb no benefit, no way to make it asymmetrical, no reason to run it!
Ward of Bones jank stuff!
Winter Orb no benefit, no way to make it asymmetrical, no reason to run it!
Thalia, Heretic Cathar Again the absolute mad lad with the anti-aggro cards for CEDH deck...
1 year ago
Alright rockleemyhero I went through your binder and did find a few things id like to have. Your Japanese Brainstorm, Dig Through Time Impending Disaster the Static Orb Phyrexian Altar Show and Tell Mana Maze and the duel deck Jace Beleren All of these or any combination are fine just kind of let me know what youre looking to let go of and im sure we can work something out!
1 year ago
Well of Knowledge if you pay a fee we will grant you a bonus card for your draw step
Avenger en-Dal once per turn and only during combat but we got a machine gun of exile attackers
Spiritual Asylum let's buy some time to get ready for battle shall we
Kill Switch holy crud the breya ramp is getting to fast ...HIT THE EMEGENCY STOP QUICK!!!
Detritivore delicious nonbasic land removal that's untouchable and the chances of targets being on the field same odds of finding a cow on a field near a farm
Mana Maze oh that's evil star especially since I'm using it in eldrazi decks with devoid cards wich is a loop hole around this.
Hammer Mage a driver for the street sweeper of artifact cards in play
Volcanic Wind hmmmm only six to do easily atleast 20+ damage to creatures and sweep...amazing
Once a upon a time someone just cast Wrath of God esc card then all the sudden I play Natural Affinity then after resolve I cast Eerie Interlude or Teferi's Protection and either resolve every one surrenders and possible a table flip happens because now it sweeps the lands and creatures excepts mine the end.
Soulquake a board sweep and group hug at the same time sweet
Sages of the Anima and this isn't a Animar staple because?
Fight to the Death hey I also played a all creatures are forced to block a particular creature escape card earlier board sweep for one player
Balancing Act is that what I... IT IS!!!
A LOOP HOLE OF PLAYING Balance !!!
Teferi's Protection your board then they have to sacrifice all the permanents
Well hope you like my stuff might have more in the future
1 year ago
@TheRedGoat Well I quickly got bored with my list which is just full of draw/counter/equipment so I'm pretty stoked to try slowing down the game as a way of keeping my hand full and getting opportunities to swing in. I have dreams of getting Psychosis Crawler out, casting Sunder and then Windfall with Twincast...
I'm a bit worried about Mana Maze. On one hand it basically keeps people from countering anything I play, but it restricts me from dealing with another blue player. Arcane Laboratory is a ballsy enchantment to play as a monoblue player, and I'm sure I'll get frustrated with it, but I think I'll try it as well.
1 year ago
This is a sweet list, +1 from me! I play almost exclusively cEDH on trice via the cEDH discord, you should join us over there if you're not already. How has Sorcerous Spyglass and As Foretold been for you?
So my initial thoughts on my small critiques of the deck:
Molten Psyche seems like an odd choice. Am I missing part of the combo with it? I don't think any cEDH deck wants to win by making your opponent's draw cards.
I think Frozen AEther is a pretty bad stax piece at 4 mana. But I know your a bit short on options in UR. I've heard of Smoke being some nice tech against creature heavy decks (i.e. selvala brostorm, blood pod, etc)
Dissipate is pretty bad, I don't think you ever want to be playing 3 cmc counters. I'm not sure you need the extra counterspell when you are already running 14. Remand and Delay are a bit suspect as well in my experience, although have niche functions.
Mana Maze. I love this card to death, don't get me wrong. However, I've played too many games where it's backfired on me. Once fast combo blue players figure out how to use it to their advantage, it becomes a double-edged sword. Casting ad nauseum, holding priority, and then casting a Brainstorm means they have an uncounterable naus. This card is too chaoticky for my liking in stax.
Mana Web. This card is alright, but i've never been very impressed with it for 3 mana. It's not the worst choice but certainly not the best. I think it's replaceable.
Thought Vessel. I really think this deck is hungry for colored rocks - even if that means ETB tapped. Isochron+reversal needs both blue and red mana to win you the game, which can be a little tricky.
Adds to consider:
Ponder and Preordain - these cards are surprisingly powerful. Being able to keep sketchy hands is a huge plus and these cards are never dead, outside of a rule of law effect. I've added them in my lists and haven't looked back. There's a reason why they are legacy staples, even more so in a 100 card singleton format where you need to dig for tutors, answers, or combo pieces.
Fellwar Stone: this should be an auto include in any cEDH using rocks. One of the best imo, always solid. Easily replaces thought vessel in my book.
Paradox Engine: You have some easy combo pieces you can shell into this list and this is one of them. Goes off with Isochron Scepter and a variety of random cards like Winds of Rebuke (if you swap it with into the roil), Capsize, etc to go infinite. There's the ol' infinite swans stuff as well if you have Copy Artifact. This is a fat card but certainly extremely powerful.
Transmute Artifact: a 2 mana tutor to find part of your combo is extremely good. I don't think you can leave home without this one, especially since you are so artifact heavy. Even Fabricate wouldn't be a terrible choice. Izzet is really hurting on tutors, even more so when you have a 2 card wincon.
Kindred Discovery: I think this is one of the spicier tech options with your commander. Goes infinite and wins you the game. It's fat and clunky, but a 1 card wincon with your general. I'd think it would be a solid back up plan to drama stick.
Hope this helps and the list overall looks very solid. I really like the deck and can tell you put a lot of work and thought into it. It's refreshing to see something new float around :). Nice work!
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