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|Zendikar (ZEN)||Mythic Rare|
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Creature — Goblin Berserker
Whenever Warren Instigator deals damage to an opponent, you may put a Goblin creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
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Warren Instigator Discussion
1 day ago
Jimmy_Chinchila: Thanks Jimmy!
I will go through the suggestions one by one, but most of the answers are because of CMC.
Mutavault - I run very, very few non-basic lands because part of the deck is trying to punish the decks that run a lot of them. Even when I ran 20 nonbasic lands I ran into a lot of problems with not having enough mountains to sacrifice to Ib, which also makes it hard to cast a Price of Progress without killing myself, you get a lot of bad interactions with Blood Moon and Blood Sun, and I just can't capitalize on an extra 2/2, it just makes it a land that is easier to hit with spot removal.
Metallic Mimic - While it wouldn't be a bad card at all, I try really hard to keep my Goblins under 2/2 as much as possible, so that I can take advantage of Raid Bombardment and Shared Animosity at the same time. Also, the bigger the individual Goblins get, the closer they are to doing reduced damage when blocked if they are above a 4/4, or not being blocked at all which makes it harder for me to use a lot of the blocking tricks that I have. You also look like less of a threat (temporarily) when you only have a table full of 1/1's.
Stoneforge Masterwork - I had this in the deck at one point, but it has the same problem that Reckless One and Battle Squadron have, that they might be a 40/40, but if they are blocked when Ib is out they only do 4 damage. It is a pretty good form of protection to put on Ib himself, but I would rather give him hexproof or shroud instead. I can do a fair bit of toughness buffing with Goblin Sledder when needed.
Obelisk of Urd - Same as Mutavault, I don't really want to buff the individual Goblins up. The Convoke is a great selling point though, so this could be a meta choice for someone building the deck.
Door of Destinies - This card is great if two things happens: You get it down early, and you actually cast a lot of your creatures. I've never gotten this card down early in my other tribal decks, and it has no impact if you draw it late game. I would look more towards Coat of Arms and waiting as long as possible to play it, so that it has a profound effect the instant it gets played, instead of just speeding up the whole game if other tribal decks are at the table. Second, I don't cast more than two or three Goblins per game on average, so that would be a lot of work for a little buff. That's why I only have kind of a bare bones of either Goblin token generators, or utility Goblins, so no matter what I draw into I can build something out of it. It's why I don't have any Goblins that I actually attack with, outside of Goblin Lackey and Warren Instigator, the rest are mostly meant to sit there and provide a buff or a combat tweak. I have a few friends that play tribal decks with Door and have a lot of success with it, it's just never performed that well for me.
Caged Sun - I don't need the mana doubler for anything (I always have extra, it's cards in hand that I need), so I would be paying the 6 CMC only for the +1/+1. Definitely a tribal staple, but I have a hard time with anything over 4 mana when I am trying to keep the Average CMC of the deck as low as possible to help make rebuilding after a wipe a lot faster.
Swiftfoot Boots - I've actually been thinking about this for a little more targetted haste, and protection for Ib/Krenko/King/Warchief/Feldon etc...Adding this to the sideboard until I can find a spot for it.
Elixir of Immortality - While mono-red definitely suffers from lack of recursion, I haven't been able to get Elixir to work how I wanted. I generally spend all game trying to get all of my lands out of my library, so that I am only drawing into spells or creatures, but if I sacrifice a bunch of lands and then sac the Elixir, I'll be drawing a bunch of lands late game, which would be like starting the game over for me, but no one else at the table. I do want to see if I can play around it on purpose though (like how I use Surveyor's Scope to great effect now), and not just use it as an Emergency Button, in which case I would put it in place of Feldon of the Third Path because that is the job he is trying to do, but has a hard time with.
Thanks a lot for your suggestions!
5 days ago
I like Assault Strobe and Temur Battle Rage, and considered them while building the deck, but in the end I found that I liked innate Double Strike better than spell-induced one (even though Viashino Slaughtermaster is the only one that remained, as the others all cost too much mana, or in the case of Warren Instigator, cost a fortune in money due to an ability I wouldn't even be using). Those spells would make such creatures obsolete while only adding a couple more points in damage at best compared to the same amount of buffs per mana, even on creatures like Kiln Fiend.
As for evasion, I feel that right now I'm happy with Trample from Rush of Adrenaline and Menace from Madcap Skills (this last one, in particular, goes very well with creatures that already have double strike by themselves).
Mutagenic Growth I'm not so sure on. Not having to pay mana to cast it is obviously great, but in a situation where you have, say, three buff spells in hand and three mana to spend, I'd rather have three Brute Forces than Mutagenic Growths. With everything being so cheap, it seems like that would happen often. Mutagenic Growth would be useful more often if I had replaced some of the other buff spells Temur Battle Rage, as the mana would go to TBR and Mutagenic Growth would still be able to be cast while a normal buff would not.
That said, I have seen Izzet lists focused on Kiln Fiend that run all of the recommended spells, including Distortion Strike and Artful Dodge and they're very good. But I'm trying to do things a little different, and, I have to admit, I added Kiln Fiend as a last minute afterthought, instead of building the deck around it like so many people do - because I really wanted to focus on the double strike instead and create something different/unique. When trying to do that you do often end up with something that is not as competitive, but I think it also has the potential for more fun, and maybe even some surprise wins against people who expect you to be running those similar lists that they've already memorized.
I'll think about Mutagenic Growth (though being on the upper end of what I'm willing to spend is weighing heavily against it), but might pass on the other spells for now. Right now I think what I'm really doing is waiting for Wizards to release more cool creatures with double strike that can fit into this (though if they release more Kiln Fiend-like creatures instead, or really good ones with Prowess, I might consider dropping the viashino and going to double-strike-by-spell route). But still, thank you very much for the suggestions, and if you think of anything else, please let me know!
2 weeks ago
+1 for me! I love everything about Goblins. I also think Warren Instigator would fit in here, just a thought. I agree with your choice of using Legion Loyalist instead of a Goblin Guide. Would you also consider a Spike Jester as an alternative for Goblin Deathraiders. By the way nice deck bro!
2 weeks ago
what about Warren Instigator? put him out turn two. Turn 3 slap an Invigorated Rampage on him swinging for a 5/1 trample double-strike and most likely you've triggered his ability twice being able to cheat out a Goblin Chieftain and a Krenko, Mob Boss then since Krenko has haste tap him to pump out some more goblin tokens and you still have one mana left over. not sure what the budget is but its a thought.
1 month ago
I suggest swapping Krenko's Command out for Mogg War Marshal. Both initially get you two 1/1 bodies for 2 mana, but with MWM, one of them replaces itself when it dies, and because MWM is a Goblin creature spell, as opposed to just a sorcery, it can be cheated into play with Warren Instigator's ability.
1 month ago
Empty the Warrens is not useful here considering you run extremely few ways of getting your storm count up. 20 lands is too few for a deck trying to cast stuff that costs 4 or more mana. Goblin Lackey and Warren Instigator are far too unreliable considering you have no way to protect them, no way to make sure they deal damage, and no way to search/draw the big goblins they could put into play.
1 month ago
Gl hf smashing face.
2 months ago
Nice! I too have an awesome goblin deck. So much fun to play. Here are some cards you should really get.
Those would really set this deck off