Creature — Human Shaman
: Vithian Stinger deals 1 damage to target creature or player.
Unearth (: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step or if it would leave the battlefield. Unearth only as a sorcery.)
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|Modern Masters 2017 Edition (MM3)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Sorin vs. Tibalt (DDK)||Common|
|Shards of Alara (ALA)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Vithian Stinger Discussion
3 months ago
5 months ago
Play more cards that are pingers! Even really small creatures like 0/1s or 1/1s because when you have an army of pingers, no one can attack you because you just ping the creatures and kill them before they can deal damage. "End step, deal 15 damage to all your creatures" is feasible in Torbran. Cards like Brimstone Trebuchet , Vulshok Sorcerer , Lobber Crew , Cinder Pyromancer , or Vithian Stinger . Usually all of these cards are 3 mana with upside which is perfect because once Torbran is on the field on turn 4 or 5, none of them will have summoning sickness and you can bolt away
And play fewer cards that aren't pingers! like wtf do you need The Immortal Sun for? 6 Mana Artifacts in red should be winning the game, not dragging it out longer. In red, I think, cards that aren't killing things aren't worth it. Stranglehold ? Why? It's so corner-case. It's not that cards like that are bad, but why play that when you could play another pinger or bolt? What does Caged Sun even do in the deck? Double your mana and buff your few creatures? A top of the curve artifact that lets you cast things you could already cast, lovely. Red Elemental Blast AND Pyroblast ? What does a burn deck think it's doing carrying around counterspells. And not just counterspells, but corner-case counterspells, and 2 of them?? Corner-case cards are just terrible in high variance formats. Like compare Demystify to Forsake the Worldly or Return to Dust . These cards are more versatile. Cards like Fiery Confluence , which you have, are flexible cards that can do either multiple things or can hit a variety of targets
Chaos Warp is an interesting card and most people use it on their own permanents to chance a better one. In this deck, it probably hits a land card or a non-permanent card. However, against an opponent, it's a removal spell at best (Target a permanent, shuffle, they flip and it's a non-permanent), but at worst your opponent gets a better permanent. for in Torbran, you can be dealing upwards of 5 or 6 damage, which pretty much kills most creatures. Chaos Warp does hit permanents, which red usually does have a hard time dealing with, but there are very few silver bullets. Off the top of my head, Leyline of Sanctity . But a card that gets around that (and that I think you should be playing in place of a mountain) is Detection Tower . However, more reliable permanent destruction could be Unstable Obelisk
Lands and permanents are hella good in Burn. Like sure, you can dump your hand and deal 31 damage, but that doesn't win the game. You've got at least 40 life to kill. You can use your lands! Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle , Dwarven Mine , or Spinerock Knoll , all great lands that can be used to keep getting hits in. Vance's Blasting Cannons Flip is super easy to transform into Spitfire Bastion , especially with cantrips
Strictly Worse / Particularily Bad Cards-
Sentinel Tower -> Not red, no buff. 4 mana for something that probably does about 1 or 2 every turn
1 year ago
Edit: Removed Sin Prodder and replaced with Vithian Stinger. Reason: Vithian Stinger is a more reliable way to get Rakdos, Lord of Riots out. Also, I don't like my opponents being able to just send my big guys to my graveyard. Even if it does a bunch of damage to them, my creatures will be more effective if they actually hit the battlefield, especially since I'm not running any reanimation spells.
1 year ago
The problem with the new Gaea's Blessing breakfast hulk combo is that the package moves at instant speed so they can just do everything in response to the damage tigger. Plus they don't have to fetch Viscera Seer (you can use the damage trigger to kill Narcomoeba) so you can get Grand Abolisher. But other than that situation, it craps on traditional breakfast hulk, yes.
Your other option could be the inclusion of a ping creature. There are four that are worth mention:
Cunning Sparkmage - Fairly basic but has haste, so he can do his thing the turn he drops.
Vithian Stinger - No haste but can be unearthed on combo turn, giving him more resilience.
Izzet Staticaster - doesn't double as a combo piece but is a house as far as killing off dorks.
I'm not sure if they're good enough for the deck, however they feel anti-meta since there is such a reliance on aman dorks and in general 1 toughness creatures. And the fact that other than Staticaster, they can all be coupled with Keen Sense/Curiosity for CA and with Dramatic Scepter to act as a win condition.
2 years ago
3 years ago
So we have confirmed both Basilisk Collar and Vithian Stinger, so does this mean we could have a pingers sub-archetype? They don't seem to really be great with the archetypes, other than Stinger kills tokens and Collar makes tokens not uselss
3 years ago
why Vithian Stinger over thermo alchimest?i know you dont have many instant or sorcireis but you are playing 1 extra mana for -0/-2 pretty much...