Creatues That Work Well With Archetype of Finality?

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Posted on Dec. 2, 2019, 8:13 p.m. by theindigoeffect

Goblin Sharpshooter is often mentioned as a combo with Archetype of Finality , and even though it upgrades your creatures into deathtouchers, it's still a pretty lackluster static effect.

Is there anything else (especially creatures) that can really exploit Archetype of Finality in Rakdos?

Rhadamanthus says... #2

theindigoeffect: This thread was moved from the Rules Q&A forum to the Deck Help forum. The Rules Q&A forum is intended to be for questions about game rules, tournament rules, and the details of specific card interactions. Your question about deckbuilding advice is much better suited for the Deck Help forum instead.

December 2, 2019 9:08 p.m.

greyninja says... #3

Olivia Voldaren I run as a commander. Basilisk Collar and Quietus Spike are in the 99

Walking Ballista would be alright. There's tons of dragons like Balefire Dragon , Flameblast Dragon , Siege Dragon , Drakuseth, Maw of Flames , Vampiric Dragon , etc etc

I like where your head is at! I wish Archetype of Finality wasnt that just seems too high

December 2, 2019 9:28 p.m.

Mj3913 says... #4

Chandra's Ignition if you're not worried about your own critters.

December 2, 2019 9:47 p.m.

Drakorya says... #5

Deathbringer Thoctar can work well, and Thornbite Staff can turn Archetype of Finality into it's own sharpshooter.

If you're decks aim is to have ways to kill all of your opponents creatures, you may want to run Grave Betrayal , Lim-Dul the Necromancer , and Scythe of the Wretched .

December 2, 2019 10:33 p.m.
December 3, 2019 12:12 a.m.

TypicalTimmy says... #7

Literally everything with first strike.

Though my favorite is Deathbringer Thoctar . Once one creature dies, or you somehow put a +1/+1 counter on it by some other means, it's an instant and full wrath.

Give it some hexproof and suddenly you have a lock on the game.

December 3, 2019 4:04 a.m.

Funkydiscogod says... #9

The interaction between Trample and Deathtouch would let you get a lot of damage across easily.

So, Ball Lightning ?

December 3, 2019 11:07 a.m.

greyninja says... #10

December 3, 2019 11:53 a.m.

At the risk of sounding stupid, wouldn't Ball Lightning and Lightning Skelemental get across roughly the same amount of damage, due to the fact that they already have trample?

Or, would they only need to do 1 deathtouch damage, allowing the rest of the damage to go through?

I just need to know so I can actually explain it in-game to anyone who doesn't understand.

December 3, 2019 3:04 p.m.

greyninja says... #12

@theindigoeffect hopefully I can explain this right, otherwise someone else can jump in

Trample only cares about the amount of damage that would be lethal for a creature. So trample recognizes that the deathtouch only needs to deal 1 dmg to kill it, and let's the other 5 dmg roll over

Now this all happens BEFORE things like Indestructible are taken into account. It still recognizes that the 1 dmg should kill the creature, so a 6/1 deathtouch trampling creature will still roll 5 damage over to the player even if blocked by a 10/10 indestructible creature

December 3, 2019 4:14 p.m.

plakjekaas says... #13

Yes, a creature with trample, in damage assignment, needs to direct lethal damage to a blocker, and all excess damage will trample over. By definition, if you're dealing with deathtouch, any damage done will be lethal damage, so a creature with both trample and deathtouch will need to assign just 1 damage to each creature blocking it, and all remaining damage available will trample through to the face.

December 3, 2019 4:17 p.m.

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