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Bond of Agony
As an additional cost to play Bond of Agony, pay X life.
Each other player loses X life.
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Bond of Agony Discussion
3 months ago
As soon as I saw Torgaar spoiled, I thought of you haha. Glad to see you didn't disappoint!
Some thoughts, in order of what I think may work best:
Temporal Extortion Would be great to torment your opponents with in this deck.
Hatred and Unspeakable Symbol Would be a great way to give a Souldrinker boost to any creature (not even your own)
Bond of Agony Is another great way to leverage Torgaar to heal yourself
Chainer, Dementia Master Could be another way to get out creatures to sac
Dash Hopes Is a fun control card in a deck like this
Songs of the Damned Could be awesome later in the game
Control-ish: Slaughter, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Season of the Witch, Yahenni's Expertise (great with your CMC), Ultimate Price (may be better than some others in there now)
Recursion-ish: Strands of Night, Grave Betrayal, Haunted Fengraf
Ramp-ish: Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Underworld Connections, Bontu the Glorified
Life: Disciple of Griselbrand, Gonti's Machinations
Defense: Eldrazi Monument, Will-o'-the-Wisp, Yahenni, Undying Partisan
Sorry if any of these are redundant. Great deck, as always!
3 months ago
If I may offer some suggestions, I don't think storm is the best route for these colors b/c you don't have cantrips or high tide or any of the good shit that makes storm work well in, let's say, grixis. My I would suggest adjusting the deck to incorporate more of the following:
Phyrexian Altar (and to a lesser extent Ashnod's Altar)+Reveillark/Karmic Guide loop generates infinite colorless mana and ETBs. We can get there faster with Buried Alive/Reanimate +our loop and Wall of Omens (probably the only way to competitively do this.) Using Wall of Omens we can draw through our library. Using Blood Artist/Zulaport Cutthroat and our loop we kill our opponents. With infinite mana from the Phyrexian Altar we can cast Torment of Hailfire and kill everyone. You can Sickening Dreams. You can cast Consume Spirit to drain one player to death then Bond of Agony to kill table or Debt to the Deathless (or any other b/w kill spells).
So at a minimum to set this combo off you need 4 which provides you infinite colorless and our entire library with which we can cast Phyrexian Altar, Gemstone Array, or Mycosynth Lattice to turn our infinite colorless into infinite colored mana. Now we win. Having 3 targets for our infinite mana means our opponents better have stopped the combo back when we were reanimating, cause holding up enough counters to stop 3 spells ain't easy. Since black has so many ways to reanimate, this isn't a problem either, throw in Necromancy, Exhume, and Victimize and we have plenty of options open to us.
(Another option that just occurred to me is to have Disciple of the Vault out, buried alive our loop + an artifact creature (preferably one that provides value), won't need the altars, so this costs 1-2 mana less, but requires more and doesn't give you the option of your library+infinite mana).
I would take out the Serra Ascendent, Candelabra, Land Tax, Aetherflux, Paradox Engine, Human Frailty and anything else that doesn't help us get there
I would be very interested in what you think of these changes, I will probably put up a build of my own when I get a chance
(I was brought here after being asked to for a competitive build for Orzhov, found your comment on the Lab Maniacs CEDH list. I think this is a good start, but I think it can be improved.)
6 months ago
It might be interesting and more flavorful to do more of a life-pay type deck, and then use life switching cards. It fits the theme of Vona more, while also being a very curious strategy.
You would still have lifelink cards, but be a little less focused on having the highest life total, but instead use your life to gain the advantage.
7 months ago
Aetherflux Resevoir is already in there, so yeah great minds think a like!
I was actually going to throw in Bond of Agony for the same reason, and there isn't a whole lot of ramp here so I probably won't get a big torment of hailfire off. I did put that in my Vial-Smasher deck though and got one off for X=21 which was funny.
I'll have to look into Rimescale Dragon though, that looks like an interesting little combo. Never seen that one.
Thanks for the help!
TypicalTimmy on None
8 months ago
Since this section is about card mechanics as well as rules, I wanted to post it here.
Turn 1 win combos are hard to come by. Here's one that requires only three cards.
Have in your opening hand a Providence. Reveal it and have your life total become 26.
8 months ago
If you are just looking to get yourself low Wall of Blood is absurdly efficient at the task, especially in conjunction with Fling; that combo can actually just end games if you ever have more health than your opponent.
10 months ago
Hey Maumoleseullevrai! I've taken a look and it really is more brutal ;). I'm going to elaborate a bit on both your comment here and from your deck, so it's a little big.
I agree with your consideration that lifegain is not a real priority with Licia. It definitely helps casting her and Licia herself hits like a truck but once she's in the field the lifegain is pretty moot so I do understand that perspective on it. I guess why people focused on small lifelinkers is to make the life more accessible. I initially started this as a life drain deck - make everyone lose more life than you and if possible, gain from it. But have moved more and more towards voltron, though some elements do remain.
Bond of Agony is one such element. I know that you have to pay mana and life to make everyone lose life, but as we have Licia.. our life loss doesn't matter, theirs does. I would much rather cast Bond of Agony for , have everyone at the table lose 5 life equally, and then swing with licia to get 10(+) life back, than putting that same 6 mana in Debt to the Deathless, which would have to be . Sure, it would get me 6 Life and would drain everyone 2, but the dedicated mana is a hurdle I considered too high. The difference between these two spells is the intention, do you want to gain life or do you want everyone to lose life? Of course if you have more than 6 mana to spend the difference becomes a lot bigger, but I like to consider 6 a soft cap and keep mana open for other spells, instant removal etc.
As for Aerial Responder and Vampire Nighthawk, if you consider it from a pure voltron then I agree that these are not that good, however, I put them in for three reasons. They're cheap at 3CMC for the power and effects they give, They can block or attack when Licia is not in the field or is tapped, and the keywords become game-breaking, absolutely insane when I play Odric, Lunarch Marshal. Flying, Vigilance, Deathtouch, First Strike, Lifelink Licia, Sanguine Tribune? hell yes! Don't forget Odric gives these effects to all your creatures eh? so those rather small and meaningless creatures suddenly evolve into world-oblitherating killing machines that beat face for breakfast.
My concerns with going pure voltron is that I usually play in a group with 3 sometimes 4 other players. If I get too strong (or if I forget to get the next round of drinks or really any reason bleh), they will definitely focus me down. I've seen the same with my Saskia deck EDH Saskia's Warband, and I really don't want a repeat of that as I had to retire it rather early. Especially lifegain is something they can't cope with, if you play the effect once they'll assume you have more, so you can afford to take more hits. This is what I have to keep in mind when I build my decks, and that is also one of the reasons I haven't yet gone pure voltron. It's absolutely possible to swing Licia in turn 4/5 for 20/20 lifelink double strike, but if I were to do so, it would be my first and last attack in that game.
Licia is exciting! But I think putting her in one specific corner, whether it be lifegain matters or pure voltron, is a bit of a waste. She's a general, so plan ahead and use everything you can to come out victorious.
10 months ago
Hey! After playing with this commander, I discovered that it is a pure Voltron commander, and that lifegain is good when it allows you to play Licia faster. Cards like Vampire Nighthawk are not that good actually (well it depends how you want to play your deck).
You can take a look at my deck here for ideas : Brutal Voltron Licia, Sanguine Tribune
It's cool to see someone else play a Licia deck!