Tenacious Dead

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Tenacious Dead

Creature — Skeleton Warrior

When Tenacious Dead dies, you may pay . If you do, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control.

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Innistrad: Crimson Vow

8 months ago

GrimlockVIII I don't play pauper so I can't really speak to that format, but I think the extra 1 mana in it's reanimation ability will prevent it from working it's way into commander decks looking to abuse Reassembling Skeleton combos. The fact that it can't combo with both Phyrexian Altar and Ashnod's Altar really hurts. I think I'd still run Tenacious Dead and Nether Traitor as back up options to Reassembling Skeleton over this new card.

lagotripha on budget mono-black aggro/devotion

1 year ago

I've played a bunch of mono black in modern. It is great for FNM, but will probs never put up tournament results.

The deck lives on sideboarding and the sheer variety of options available - your opponent has no idea if you are aggro, midrange grindy or combo until turn three or four. This means that published decklists and scouting in major tournaments strips away its biggest advantage.

Cards to mess around with;

Duress (and the million variants) - hitting a Life Goes On can be 'more damage' than any 1 drop.

Gifted Aetherborn - it completes the dire moon / nighthawk trio, and helps with tribal vampire options like Stromkirk Condemned or Captivating Vampire

Stromkirk Condemned and stuff like Zombie Infestation lets you play with discard synergies - pitching your hand then casting symetrical discard, or getting back demigod.

Lashwrithe If you want an equip in mono black on a budget, it is this. Its scary on its own, strapped to a nighthawk it boosts your life total to massive levels.

Ratchet Bomb used to be the only enchantment answer, but Feed the Swarm has really patched that hole and made the deck a lot more solid.

Sign in Blood - draw two is good. Two damage is good to finish an opponent sometimes too.

There are a bunch of 'return to the battlefield' 1 drops that can help create tempo by flooding the board and provide fodder for sacrifice effects - Bloodsoaked Champion , Dread Wanderer , Tenacious Dead etc.

If you want to do it the other way, effects like Unearth let you keep key creatures on the battlefield, while synergysing neatly with stuff like Profane Command to hit face.

Finally, play to mono-black's biggest advantage, reliability. Lots of decks focus on hands that can 'just win the game', mono black does an amazing job at getting a hand that is 'better than the opponent'. Not an incredible hand, but a little disruption and a lot of 'good cards', no chance of getting mana screwed, and far less need to mulligan.

Goblin_Guide on Aggressive Monarchy

1 year ago

Sooo what do you want for this deck? Do you need token producers? If that is the route you want to go down, there are some other cards you should look at:

Sacrifice outlets. I see you already have Viscera Seer, that's a really good one, but you might also consider Goblin Bombardment, Ashnod's Altar, and maybe Spawning Pit. Also Vampiric Rites.

More aristocrats. You are in the right colors for these, so this shouldn't be hard to fill out. Blood Artist, Zulaport Cutthroat, Falkenrath Noble; I think there might be some red ones that make the creature itself deal damage to any target? If so, those should be an auto include what with the assassins having deathtouch.

As far as actual tokens go, it seems you mostly have one-off effects; if you want more of these, you should look for cards that get you tokens with a high amount of efficiency. If you had enough mana rocks and stuff like that I would suggest Kuldotha Rebirth, but for now I don't think that is going to do it as often as you want. Probably you want stuff like Krenko's Command, Dragon Fodder, Hordeling Outburst, etc. for this category.

In terms of token producing that recursively gives you value, I would suggest Assemble the Legion for sure; also, maybe Ophiomancer (expensive but very good with a sacrifice outlet) and any of the Goonies would be good, though technically they aren't tokens, they just come back a lot (Reassembling Skeleton, Nether Traitor, Bloodsoaked Champion, Bloodghast, Tenacious Dead, either Squee would work). If you really do want tokens to come out and be there at the same time and start to build up a board state with them, you should probably use ... well, I dunno, you're in white. Figure it out.

Also, one last thing: Cathars' Crusade.

In terms of what to cut, I would look reaaally hard at the top of your curve. I would probably drop Gravewaker at least. I think Necrotic Hex is probably good in your deck, because you have so many creatures, but just in general I think it's better in a deck that actually cares about either the word "sacrifice" or the zombies for being zombies rather than the zombies being bodies. Lena seems bad here, I don't know how many nontoken creatures you'll have. I think Crush Contraband could get cut for more efficient removal, maybe Anguished Unmaking or Utter End if you want a budget version. Moan of the Unhallowed is ... straight up bad I think.

Let me know if these were helpful or if you need more cuts.

pretendingtoalright on Judith The Value Engine Diva

1 year ago

I like the list, seems like a lot of fun.

Maybe more creatures that can recur along the lines of Tenacious Dead? Gravecrawler, Bloodsoaked Champion, maybe Gutterbones I suppose that's to your hand but at least Judith and a lot of other effects in your deck enable its return ability. I could be wrong but I can see the engine running out of steam if you miss out on your Reassembling Skeleton to enable consistent use of your sac effects.

I was thinking you might want to add more payouts for things dying like, Sifter of Skulls, Ogre Slumlord, or Pawn of Ulamog but those might be too slow for your deck on closer consideration.

But the deck looks very fun and fast, cheers.

tacolover25 on Skeleton Tribal

1 year ago

Some removal on theme would be Bone Splinters. Any room for Tenacious Dead?

A secondary theme for the deck could also revolve around Tinybones, Trinket Thief and a few discard spells. +1 though. Cheers!

henrypan321 on Ara Ara Ayara

1 year ago

Thank you both for the suggestions! Sorry for the delayed response.

carpecanum : Tenacious Dead could work, though not a big fan of the recast condition. I'll try it a bit. Ninjas sounded interesting but there doesn't seem like there's any good ninjas that'll fit in the deck. I think Breeding Pit is a too mana hungry for this deck.

RNR_Gaming : Untappers are usually strong but I don't think they'll fit well in this build. I only have three creatures with a tap ability so it'll feel bad if Ayara dies too much.

carpecanum on Ara Ara Ayara

1 year ago

Banshee of the Dread Choir, Tenacious Dead

Any black ninjas would enter the field then you could recast the creature they ninjitsu'd off of.

Maybe Breeding Pit?

PaulMuadDib on Vito, Thorn of Dusk Rose

2 years ago

You are going to need more than 12 lands. Whenever I build a deck, I always start with 40 lands and then for every 3 pieces of ramp, which for a mono black deck would be a mana rock or swamp doubler or ritual spell like Dark Ritual, I remove a land.
Please retune the deck with 12 non-land mana sources and 36 swamps for starters and you can think of non-swamp lands you want to include later.
My suggestions for those sources are any 12 of the following, depending on your budget:
Sol Ring
Star Compass
Commander's Sphere
Crypt Ghast
Charcoal Diamond
Soldevi Adnate
Songs of the Damned
Worn Powerstone
Dark Ritual
Everflowing Chalice
Ashnod's Altar
Cathodion
Guardian Idol
Hedron Archive
Mind Stone
Magnifying Glass
Millikin
Prismatic Lens
Cabal Coffers <- could replace a swamp
Bubbling Muck
Pristine Talisman <- defiantly want that

After that you've got the commander, which takes up 1 card slot, so that leaves you with 51 cards to choose from.

I see the bare beginnings of either an aristocrats or a reanimator deck. In my opinion you should push more for aristocrats. It can draw you tons of cards and gain you quite a lot of life. There's no harm in keeping some reanimation spells in there though.

You want a good number of sacrifice outlets. I haven't heard of what a hard number should be so I'd shoot for at least 5. Here's a list of some that I remember off hand:
Witch's Cauldron
Vampiric Rites
Ashnod's Altar
Infernal Tribute <- has a funny synergy with Spine of Ish Sah
Gnawing Zombie
Altar of Dementia
Attrition
Blood Bairn
Bloodflow Connoisseur
Bloodsoaked Altar
Bloodthrone Vampire
Carnage Altar
Carrion Feeder
Corpse Blockade
Culling Dais
Dark Privilege
Diamond Valley
Disciple of Griselbrand
Gutless Ghoul
Lampad of Death's Vigil
Mind Slash
Spawning Pit
Phyrexian Plaguelord

For this strategy you'll need recurring creatures or token generators
Ghoulcaller Gisa
Reassembling Skeleton
Endless Cockroaches
Tenacious Dead
Nim Devourer
Bridge from Below
Open the Graves
Sanitarium Skeleton
Gravecrawler

value
Pitiless Plunderer
Bolas's Citadel

Lifegain
Blood Artist is a staple
Plunge into Darkness is something you might want for the pure lifegain of 3 per creature you sacrifice. Not sure that you want to use the "exile a bunch of your deck" too often.
Bontu's Monument
Corrupt
Drain Life
Shadows of the Past

reanimation
Living Death
No Rest for the Wicked
Sepulchral Primordial
Zombify
Rise from the Grave
Victimize
Apprentice Necromancer
Call of the Death-Dweller

spot removal/board wipes
Mutilate
Damnation
Defile
Hero's Downfall
Vona's Hunger

draw
Read the Bones
Sign in Blood
Damnable Pact
Smothering Abomination
Ransack the Lab
Minions' Murmurs
Harvester of Souls

and so forth. I'd look through some already built aristocrats decks to see exactly whether you want to take that strategy.

Oh yeah, for utility lands I'd choose any of the following within your price range:
Leechridden Swamp
Bojuka Bog
Reliquary Tower
Cabal Stronghold
Volrath's Stronghold
Phyrexian Tower
Myriad Landscape
Terrain Generator
Geier Reach Sanitarium

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