Expropriate

Sorcery

Council's dilemma — Starting with you, each player votes for time or money. For each time vote, take an extra turn after this one. For each money vote, choose a permanent owned by the voter and gain control of it. Exile Expropriate.

Discussion (48)

DrukenReaps on Vampire's Kiss - Grixis Spellslinger

3 weeks ago

So there's a competitive combo version of Jeleva and then there is fun Jeleva. I'm going to make suggestions based off what I think of as being more leaning towards the fun. The general idea I have in my head is to get some high cost spells exiled and cast them for free off her trigger. I haven't played much spellslinger pretty much ever but here's what I dug up. Not sure what your budget is though.

Rise of the Dark Realms, Expropriate, Worst Fears, Army of the Damned, Aminatou's Augury, In Garruk's Wake, Fevered Suspicion and Blasphemous Act.

I'd also get some more protection for Jeleva. As each time she dies and is cast again you'll lose access to everything previously exiled. Not the worst thing but it can be nice to hit a few of the spells before having to recast her. Lightning Greaves, Whispersilk Cloak, Clout of the Dominus.

If you happen to have some room a few copy effects aren't bad ideas. Mirari and Lithoform Engine.

Metallurgic Summonings and Wild-Magic Sorcerer seem like solid inclusions too.

Do you have a clear vision of how the deck wins? Regardless the deck looks fun!

Coward_Token on Streets of New Capenna

1 month ago

Oh, look at these new commander cards which I've definently never seen before.

Beamtwon Bullies: Surprised it isn't just an optional at-opponent-upkeep-trigger

Tivit: idk why this so expensive, or why it doesn't draw instead of investigate at that cost. IMO there's not enough voting cards to make this fun. Also, for cards like Tyrant's Choice, if everyone else votes for something else, you'll lose even with the extra vote.

Denry Klin: Meh, on its own it's very underwhelming. Yes, you can hand out indestruble counters like candy with Tyrite Sanctum. Some non-keyword counters like Oblivion Stone could be interesting

Bess: heh, weenie commander. Kinda wish it worked for 0/1s too. Has the dreaded "one or more" templating, without the redeeming "that many" addage, so you'll have to stagger token creations to make her big efficiently. Note that it's just base p/t, so you're still free to add other anthem effects

Turf War: I like the design a lot, but it's a bit expensive for the hoops you got to jump trough. Obviously the dream is to boop everyone at the same time to ramp yourself by three. Hope you got some pillow fort!

Rain of Riches: Prosper is having a bit of a field day

Mezzio Mugger: a bit too expensive to either hardcast OR Blitz imo

Smuggler's Share: each end step? And not just the opponent who's turn it is? Oh my.

Lethal Scheme: Not too bad, in a mono-black zombie deck you could cast this for free with convoke

In Too Deep: Meh, I like Aura removal for disabling commanders, this just adds another commander tax

Jailbreak: ANY kind of permanent

Aerial Extortionist: more white card advantage, quite cute, if a little expensive for how fragile it is

Grand Cresendo: Alright! Never mind the tokens, finally mono-white gets an anti-wrath Instant for two mana

Excess: I like rewards for go-wide combat, even if you can still just Dockside for similar results

Seize the Spotlight: Aggresively costed red mini-Expropriate, kinda! Quite powerful for late game mehthinks

Cute that escape, extort and cipher all made a cameo here

PinnedPhoenix on Copycat

1 month ago

really cool deck idea!

do you know Expropriate? that's a classic blue payoff spell

legendofa on New Social Contract Breach Discussion

2 months ago

Gleeock I haven't gotten in a multiplayer game with randoms for years now, I've never played cEDH, and I don't actually have a regular group at the moment (frustration and sadness), so I'm probably out of touch with actual multiplayer reality.

All the same, though, I have a couple of responses. "[T]he only other valid player threw a tantrum & left the game" is not good play. But I take special exception to the tantrum. If, hypothetically, the other player said "I'm afraid I have no chance at winning, I concede. Good game, and well played," would that still be an issue? I understand that the game flow can be radically changed by who's present and available. However, I see the following: conceding gracefully is respectful and legal. Conceding with a tantrum is disrespectful, but legal. Refusing to vote on Expropriate, then continuing to play, is disrespectful and illegal. And 104.3a very much says a player can dip out of it all: "A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game."

But the legality of concession isn't really the issue here. The issue is "when is quitting the game right to do?" Instead of directly answering, I'd like to add some supplemental questions, based on this thread and my own thoughts.

1. Is it fair play to concede in response to being attacked? If Gahiji, Honored One Beatdown attacks Tobias Andrion with a Titanic Ultimatum and enough creatures to defeat Tobias, can Tobias concede immediately to avoid the lifelink damage? Does the answer change whether Gahiji is dominating the match at 300 life + board vs. barely hanging on at 4 life and built up a Fervored board this turn?

2. Is it fair play to concede if a player can reasonably expect to be unable to proceed, if an opponent is relying on their presence? If Sen Triplets Stax has stripped all artifact removal from The Lady of the Mountain's deck through Sadistic Sacrament and has taken control of nearly all of The Lady's permanents, can The Lady concede on the grounds that she reasonably believes she can't win, even though it would cost Triplets some key blockers?

3. Is it fair play to concede a game if it forces another player into a line of action? Marisi, Breaker of the Coil Combat Control goads Jedit Ojanen into attacking. During Jedit's first main phase, before Jedit attacks, Barktooth Warbeard gets a critical removal spell countered and decides this game is unwinnable. Is Barktooth free to gracefully and respectfully concede, forcing Jedit to attack the remaining available player?

I don't claim to have objectively correct answers to these questions, but I think they add some needed nuance to the central question of when someone can concede to another person's detriment.

Obviously, conceding shouldn't be done yelling and tableflipping. But assuming a modicum of decency, I think conceding should be available at any time, within the agreement of the group. It can be difficult to determine whether conceding is done tactically, spitefully, or simply to cut losses, and having a pre-match conversation can settle these issues, so that's a point I strongly agree with. In a more competitive setting, I guess leave it to the judges to explain pre-tournament and adjucate as needed? That's outside of my expertise.

Gleeock on New Social Contract Breach Discussion

2 months ago

I understand the mentality of not wanting to play out the game of Monopoly when the other player has the board completely... In a game that does not swing as wildly as MtG does & not even wanting to be the player to force someone to stay. I think it is; not seeing the forest for the trees, to feel that you have no chance in a multiplayer game where anything can happen.

legendofa It makes a lot of difference if they lose by concession because they can't see the forest for the trees staring at their hand in a vacuum, alot of difference with alot of strategies that are being endorsed more & more. I've had a field of goaded permanents turn around & swing at me next turn because the only other valid target player threw a tantrum & left the game, this is in a game where one board wipe would change the complexion of the game completely.

& losing often isn't fun; casual, competitive, etc. The game involve(s) multiple subjective unfun aspects: it doesn't give people license to essentially dip out of it all. That is akin to deciding you just aren't voting on the resolving Expropriate because it ain't that fun to you.

No, it is not an issue in my regular playgroup. It is more of an issue with randoms, who I don't think are understanding on the rationale of why they may be called out on it... I think some people legitimately don't understand the disadvantage it creates & they feel like it's "what's it to you?" situation.

I feel that this should be at the forefront of all these other contentious "social contract" discussions, such as: MLD, stax, draw-go-counter, T0, combo, etc... If it was talked about more I think there may be some more social conscientiousness with it & the situations where it is right.

midget_overlord on Niv-Mizzet, Parun

2 months ago

I think Laboratory Maniac isn't necessary here, as you don't really have enough card draw to reliably trigger his win condition. Speaking of win conditions, the deck doesn't really have enough solid ones in my opinion. You basically have Locust God, Talrand, and Psychosis Crawler. Everything else doesn't feel strong enough to me. I might consider adding a Murktide Regent, or leaving in Lab maniac and going even harder into card draw with something like Enter the Infinite. Another powerful tool you're ignoring is extra turn spells. Chaining them together is a great way to lose friends and play solitaire! Expropriate, Nexus of Fate, Beacon of Tomorrows, and Temporal Manipulation are some good ones.

CriticalZER0 on Kynaios and Tiro, Embodiment of EDH (Group Hug)

3 months ago

alexjustdoit , Arachnogenesis is a cool card, but Settle the Wreckage and Comeuppance serve similar roles and can be tutored from Sunforger. Also I have no way to utilize the spider tokens (such as Craterhoof Behemoth) in the deck. I see in your list you run Jolrael, Mwonvuli Recluse, so that is a good way to pump the tokens.

As for Collective Restraint, I think I would run Solitary Confinement or Peacekeeper before running that card.

Looking at your list a few things come to mind:

1) Wincon

It looks like you can win using the combos I have listed or through combat using Insurrection or Arachnogenesis + Jolrael, Mwonvuli Recluse, but I think you could use another. With enough card draw Laboratory Maniac works well, but Approach of the Second Sun is another good win con.

2) Card Draw

I suggest running more card draw, I noticed you have no group hug style card draw effects besides Selvala, Explorer Returned, and you have no sorcery card draw (such as Sphinx's Revelation). I would suggest adding more card draw, either through enchantments like Sylvan Library or cards like Sphinx's Revelation.

3) Board Wipes

I get wanting your opponents to build up creatures so you can use them with Disrupt Decorum or Insurrection, but I think it is worth including spells like Austere Command, Farewell, Vandalblast, Cyclonic Rift, etc to control the board when you need to.

4) Flash Enablers

I have found that this style of control deck really wants to be able to play on other peoples turns, where you can hold up mana for either removal or countermagic, but play ramp or card draw if your opponents do nothing. Cards to support this include Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation. There is also great synergy with the Seedborn Muse you run when using these cards.

Some missing cards that are generically powerful that you could add are:

Cyclonic Rift

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midget_overlord on Svyelun of Sea and Sky

5 months ago

First things first. Add 22 Island to get up to the card minimum, and round out your lands. You want to cut at least 300$ based on what you've said, so getting rid of Kindred Discovery, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Oboro, Palace in the Clouds, Cavern of Souls, Sapphire Medallion, Rhystic Study, Cyclonic Rift, and Aether Vial would cut about 335$ off your deck cost. I'd replace 4 or 5 of those cards with islands again to keep your land count where it should be. Don't get me wrong, they're all fantastic, and with a few exceptions would greatly power up the deck from their inclusion. The only ones that I don't think justify their costs in this deck are sapphire medallion, oboro, and aether vial.

Your deck is also a little light on finishers. I personally really like Rite of Replication to suddenly build a huge board, some other great alternatives (at varying price points) are Blatant Thievery or my personal favorite Expropriate.

This is a bit more up to personal choice, but I'm really not a fan of cantrips in a deck like this. If it were me, I'd cut Ponder, Preordain, and Brainstorm for things that are a bit more impactful. You're drawing a lot of cards anyway, so card selection isn't as important as raw draw power. I'd consider something like Overflowing Insight or even something simpler like Weave Fate.

I have no doubt more refinements will become apparent as you playtest, but I hope that helps!