Expropriate

Sorcery

Council's dilemma — Starting with you, each player votes for time or money. For each time vote, take an extra turn after this one. For each money vote, choose a permanent owned by the voter and gain control of it. Exile Expropriate.

Discussion (49)

wotanaz1337 on What Conversations do you not …

2 months ago

Ramble Sadly, I've seen it happen multiple times at a few LGS'. Last time was last Wednesday. I was admittedly ahead on board but the one guy had 12 commander damage on me with Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider and had just thrown down a mana doubling enchantment. I've seen that deck just explode after he has mana doublers out.

I cast Magister Sphinx and took him out with my faerie tokens from Alela, Artful Provocateur. He stormed off saying it was b.s. and that I could have chumped etc.

Yes, I could've but I only had enough to keep myself alive for maybe two turns against commander damage. He was gunning for me due to, again, having the best board state and I didn't cry about it. He saw a threat and was doing something about it.

I also had a Sephara, Sky's Blade I then convoked the following turn. Another reason not to chump. Sephara is one of my curve-topping beaters.

Anyway, the guy had played stuff like Golos 5C and won flat-out with Expropriate against my draft-chaff Talrand in previous weeks. Also, Eldrazi stuff against basically slightly upgraded pre-cons from the other three players.

Everybody else took his powerful combos and/or cards in stride. None of the other people got more upset than a sigh of resignation. We all just shrugged and moved on to the next one.

PlutoniumWedding on Pinball wizard

2 months ago

Hey!

Golos really embodies Timmy edh in that sense of 'I don't care what I'm casting as long as it's big and flashy!', doesn't he? :D

I have a few ideas and comments, in no particular order.

Expropriate seems like it would be one of the big ones for a bit more pay-to-win oomph.

I think Field of the Dead is amazing in Golos decks, since your five colour edh land base is unlikely to contain many duplicate names. It's not the wincon it apparently was in... Historic? But it generates a very steady stream of chump blockers. It's apparently still like $10, though.

Emergent Ultimatuming up a board wipe and Fated Return sadly only works if Golos for some reason is already in the graveyard, since you cast the two spells immediately and will need to choose targets for Fated Return before the wipe resolves. You can of course get some other big thing that's died during the course of the game.

The flat damage spells (Sorin's Vengeance, Searing Wind) seem weak - they only impact the game if someone is already at 10 or less life, and even then only if they're currently the threat. I'd look to those if you need to make cuts for higher quality cards.

Rise of the Dark Realms and Clone Legion are a few ways to get instant boards. Both work very well if you can sneak in an Eternal Witness (or Archaeomancer) as they can recur the little creature for infinite fuel, even though you're of course unlikely to cast either more than once per turn.

Omniscience is a great way to get all the fat spells in your hand to actually be useful. It's wonderful if you get it off of Golos, but perfectly OK to hard cast before emptying your hand of bombs.

I know you're mostly going for instants and sorceries - is there a reason for this? You don't have to have one, but there are a lot of nice permanent bombs that fit the Golos playstyle, like Etali, Primal Storm, Debtors' Knell, Worldspine Wurm and Mind's Dilation. Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is a boardwipe that spares Golos and sticks around as a nuisance and possibly even a long-term threat.

Another great card with Golos is Illusionist's Bracers. Twice the madness.

Given the deck's reliance on Golos himself, I'd think it almost mad not to run some protection, such as Lightning Greaves, Darksteel Plate, Swiftfoot Boots, Hammer of Nazahn etc. Counterspells would be an option, but it's so sad to flip them with Golos...

Since Golos ramps on ETB, flicker cards like Teleportation Circle, Soulherder, Conjurer's Closet and Thassa, Deep-Dwelling can each get you one free land every turn, not limited to basics. Running all of them is probably... A different deck. One or two might be nice.

If you do go with that approach, you have lots of options, like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers for lots of mana, The World Tree, Cascading Cataracts and Crystal Quarry for fixing, or utility lands like Maze of Ith and Mystifying Maze. Since these are lands that are perfectly fine to draw on their own, this takes up a lot less deck space than it might initially seem like.

I hope I've given you some ideas at least!

Romer on The Ceaseless Eldrazi Horde

2 months ago

Ziabo: Thanks man, glad you like it! It's pretty damn fun to play. Morophon could be a decent commander for 5-colour Eldrazi, too, but I really like Golos . Easy to cast without caring about which colours I have, an ETB effect that helps solve my colour problems and an activated ability to cheat amazing, expensive spells into play. Add Morophon to the 99 instead.

Wicker: If money wasn't a concern, I would immediately add a bunch of fetch lands, Expropriate and Sylvan Library .

DivineKhaos: Artifact ramp is really strong and super fast, so it was tempting. I focused on more land-based ramp to help solve my colour needs, since nearly 40% of my spells require coloured mana, including a number that need or . Omg and I'm running Ruinous Ultimatum ?? What was I thinking! I'm also trying to be more resistant to artifact destruction. This deck scares my playgroup so they toss a lot of removal at it and it can feel pretty bad when all your mana rocks get taken out and you're now behind everyone else at the table.

Hustleberry: Lots of good suggestions, thank you! It's just really hard to make cuts to fit in more at this point. That's the biggest difficulty in 5 colour decks, I could run anything and there are hundreds of amazing cards that could work, but I can only fit 99.

• I would play Expropriate if it weren't so damn expensive :)
• Enter the Infinite with Nexus of Fate is definitely strong, it's just hard to make cuts to fit it. At one point I ran Enter the Infinite with Omniscience but after pulling it off a few times, I was over it and took it out.
• No Mercy just isn't enough to stop my playgroup. I've tried it in some decks but my best defense truly is a strong offense with this deck. And board wipes :p
• Agreed, Blue Sun's Zenith is better than Mind Spring and would be a good swap. But since then, I changed over to Finale of Revelation instead.
• You're right, I definitely have non-Eldrazi themed things in here but Platinum Emperion just feels too out of place and I'd feel bad removing one of my big Eldrazi beaters to fit him. If I were to pick one up, I'd put it in one of my artifact-focused decks instead.
• It That Betrays instead of Artisan of Kozilek ? Agreed! Changed... some time ago now. I'm very late in replying to your comments ;)

hkhssweiss: Cloud Key and Semblance Anvil are good, but my card types are so spread out that their effect becomes pretty limited and I do already run things like Urza's Incubator and Herald's Horn , the latter of which which does more than just reduce the cost. Don't think I want to invest too much into just reducing creature costs, when that only accounts for 20% of my deck. Having said that, Cloud Key and Semblance Anvil are fantastic in my artifact decks :D

Guerric on Mizzix puts the "X" in Excellence!

4 months ago

Update, May 29, 2021

Impulse OUT Deflecting Swat IN

Contentious Plan Sort of replaced Impulse as my two-mana card for early counters. The value of Deflecting Swat can hardly be overstated, as it provides early protection for Mizzix while being relevant all game long.

Aetherspouts OUT Introduction to Annihilation IN

Spouts is such a conditional card, and we have plenty of board wipes when we count or kill-the-table x-spells. Intro is great in that its free permanent removal for us much of the time.

Overwhelming Intellect OUT Dramatic Reversal IN

A counterspell that can only counter a creature spell is underwhelming, and we added swat. I can't believe Dramatic Reversal hadn't been added earlier. It plays into our combo with Reiterate , and allows us to fetch the whole combo with Firemind's Foresight . A true must include!

Fall of the Titans OUT Expropriate IN

Fall was always our worst x-spell, and we have more than enough in the deck. For a replacement win con its far better to just take another turn and steal everyone's best thing. The greatest thing about this card is that its so cheap to cast with Mizzix!

Spring / Mind OUT Archmage Emeritus IN

Spring is great but sorcery speed and a one-off. Archmage will draw us cards the whole game. We're up to three whole creatures in this deck now!

Howl of the Horde OUT Solve the Equation IN

I've got plenty of copy dorks here, so another tutor is great, especially one that will usually cost me just two blue mana!

RinceRaven on fck my playgroup

5 months ago

Hey, looking at your list I have a bunch of opinions. I'mma drop those for later reference. This comment will be a mess, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna write a cohesive essay with a proper layout.

TL;DR: More boardwipes , less pillowfort , less creatures , +1 or 2 wincons .

Vryn Wingmare : taxing yes, but also taxes like 70% of your spells which I just can't see being worth it. At that stage, maybe run Sphere of Resistance . At least that hurts opposing creature decks too.

I don't love cards like Ghostly Prison because even though it does stop a bunch of random damage and everything it still won't stop the Voltron coming your way if they want to. On top of that your Magus of the Tabernacle will be an issue with your high creature count. So I'd consider getting rid of Baird, Steward of Argive and friends.

You only have three boardwipes, you're better off running more of those than pillowfort effects in my opinion. Consider Cleansing Nova , Rout , Time Wipe , Divine Reckoning . I like the last two a lot for this deck. Also where's your Cyclonic Rift do you not have more copies?

I'm very double on Isperia, Supreme Judge as a card. It's only 4 mana here which might make it good enough, but you're relying on opponents doing something which is usually not where you want to be. Mangara, the Diplomat in contrast, at least has muliple triggered abilities which does get triggered a lot, although with your taxing probably still a bad include, especially for it's $ cost. In the same wake I think Fatespinner , even though annoying for sure, gives opponents more options than you would like.

Nitpick, but Brainstorm becomes considerably worse if you don't have a bunch of fetches or other shuffle effects. Same goes for Mox Opal and your low artifact count. Though that one might still be good enough, albeit a little inconsistent with the current artifact count.

For counterspells, consider Memory Lapse or maybe even Essence Scatter or False Summoning . Also get Swan Song back in, a 1 mana counterspell that doesn't have a pay x out is probably still worth it's spot. Maaaybe on a super tight 100, but it's not like you're at that stage right now. And get rid of Render Silent three mana isn't worth it for the added silence in my opinion. Just keep the cheapest counterspells so you yourself can be more efficient with your own mana.

For ramp: Your commander is 4 mana, and getting him out is really good for you. Your ramp, for this reason, should be cmc 2 and below if possible. On top of that, due to Augustin's cost reducing abilities, you prefer your ramp to generate colored mana. So imo get rid of Azorius Locket and Azorius Cluestone . Instead look towards Coldsteel Heart and Talisman of Progress , maybe even a Sapphire Medallion , Pearl Medallion , Wayfarer's Bauble , Knight of the White Orchid . Or maybe Mind Stone , Walking Atlas , Everflowing Chalice . Maybe don't fix colors but at least curve out augustin. Finally please at least play Commander's Sphere over the Cluestone .

Also, please for the sake of our group, play an additional wincon. Right now you have Expropriate , Approach of the Second Sun and Smothering Tithe + Stasis lock. I know control decks don't traditionally run too many wincons, but keeping a lock on the board long enough is difficult and we won't usually feel like sitting through you trying to contain us for that long. Also where's Dramatic Reversal to go with your Isochron Scepter ?

A card like Lightning Greaves might just be worth it considering how much Augustin will be hated.

griffstick on Big Instant/Sorceries to Copy?

6 months ago

Well Time Stretch is probably better. Or Blatant Thievery or Expropriate

abby315 on Urza’s Pet Dragon

6 months ago

Some instant/sorcery possibilities for you: Acquire
Kefnet's Last Word since you can uniquely avoid the downside of not untapping your lands
Shrewd Negotiation
Expropriate
Blasphemous Act
Sea Gate Restoration  ^Flip
Blatant Thievery
Sublime Epiphany

You could also run take-extra-turn spells to pretty good effect, but that's up to you.

Here are some additional cards to consider that are good in a R/U artifact/Treasures deck: Hellkite Tyrant
Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator
Shimmer Dragon

I might swap in "eggs" for artifacts rather than ones that need to go to the GY to draw you cards, since you want them on the field for your commander's ability:
Golden Egg
Guild Globe
Prophetic Prism

And some ideas for cuts, just based on being overall weaker cards:
Storm the Vault  ^Flip
Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp
Call the Skybreaker
Pull from Tomorrow
Spellbook
Urza's Bauble
Welding Jar
Mishra's Bauble
Magma Opus

Finally, and I hate to suggest it since it means more cuts, but I think you should eventually be at 35 or 36 lands even with all of the ramp. 33 is pretty low unless you're running the full Mana Vault / Mana Crypt etc. cEDH manabase. I hope this gives you a good place to start!

Rainor on Vial&Thrasios' Spellslinger

7 months ago

Changes i made to Nooz's original list:

Blatant Thievery -> Expropriate
Cruel Entertainment -> Wilderness Reclamation
Diabolic Tutor -> Demonic Tutor
Explosive Vegetation -> Skyshroud Claim
Rampant Growth -> Three Visits
Abrupt Decay -> Assassin's Trophy
Chromatic Lantern -> Arcane Signet
Crumbling Necropolis -> Zagoth Triome
Frontier Bivouac -> Ketria Triome
Burgeoning -> Curiosity
Regrowth -> Bala Ged Recovery  ^Flip
Shivan Reef -> Training Center
Yavimaya Coast -> Rejuvenating Springs
Strionic Resonator -> Training Grounds
Thought Vessel -> Dockside Extortionist
Metallurgic Summonings -> Shark Typhoon
Insidious Will -> Saw It Coming
Rashmi, Eternities Crafter -> Kess, Dissident Mage
Brainstorm -> Sensei's Divining Top