Legendary Creature — Fox Cleric

: Target permanent you control gains protection from white until end of turn.

: Target spell or permanent becomes white until end of turn.

Eight-and-a-Half-Tails Discussion

Drcfan on Devotion to White Angels

1 month ago


What i really need for this deck is 3 drop removal better than Oblivion Ring. Grasp of Fate is strictly better but not modern. Banisher Priest and Fiend Hunter die easily to removal. I hope some day a set will bring something printed on an Angel

Kind Regards -Drcfan

Drcfan on Devotion to White Angels

4 months ago

@ DrCinnamon

Rhadamanthus on When exactly is a spell …

7 months ago

Unfortunately no, this won't work. By the time you're able to activate Eight-and-a-Half-Tails' ability, you're already past the point where Ivory Cup would trigger.

For spells, "play" and "cast" mean the same thing (you can see in the current official Oracle text on Ivory Cup's Gatherer entry that it's been updated to use the word "cast"). A spell is officially "cast" after the player has finished making all the decisions for it and paying all the costs. Players get a chance to make responses after the casting process is completed but before the spell starts resolving. In your example that means you've already finished casting the spell when you get the opportunity to use Eight-and-a-Half-Tails to turn it white. The time that Ivory Cup would have triggered is already passed.

Tylord2894 on When exactly is a spell …

7 months ago

You can not use Eight-and-a-Half-Tails's second ability to trigger Ivory Cup.

It's important to remember that Magic is almost 30 years old, so the wording that is printed on cards is very much subject to change. The update Oracle text of Ivory Cup uses "cast" instead of "played". I don't know what this change occurred, but a spell is not considered "played" anymore. It is always considered to be "cast" (there's an "exception" to this that I'll talk about later).

When casting a spell, there's a series of steps that the caster goes through, selecting modes/divisions/targets, determining costs, paying for costs, etc. The very last step in the process is declaring a spell to be "cast". That is when Ivory Cup will trigger. Since there is not an opportunity for you to resolve before that point, you can not use Eight-and-a-Half-Tails to change that spell to be white.

Now, this "exception" to the rule that "spells are only ever cast." Some cards will allow you to "play cards" from somewhere. For example, most "Impluse" effects (like the eponymous Act on Impulse) say that you can "play cards exiled this way". What this is trying to say in only a few words is that "you may cast spells or play lands exiled with Act on Impulse".

Hope this helps!!

Redriver18 on When exactly is a spell …

7 months ago

I am running a deck with Ivory Cup and Eight-and-a-Half-Tails. My question is, if I use Eight-and-a-Half-Tails to turn a non-white spell on the stack white, does it trigger Ivory Cup? I am confused about when a spell is considered to have been played as opposed to cast.

demont on Infinity On High

7 months ago

Ilvaldus i'd definelly like to see that Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite brew :D.

I run one Elesh Norn deck myself, but my brew is a more casual one, flooding tokens/anthems and tapping out, lot's of fun. Pretty strong card though, got the idea because of this list i run, it's very funny to watch other player's reactions when you drop her.

I imagine that in cEDH would be a massive punch for some decks, cause it completetly nullifies some cedh commanders (such as Kinnan, Najeela, Tymna, Edric etc).

But rolling back to the discussion, i understand your points, i'll probably give it a try on those cards, specially on the totem and the stakes, just to see how it runs.

There are a few other points i'd like to brainstorm with you, about board protection. I've noticed my pieces are not destroyed very often, i imagine it's because we just break the stax parity slightly (unlike an Urza for instance) and most of the stax affect's all players kind of equally, so people usually focus their hates on other player's more dangerous stuff. With that in mind though, i was wondering about a few protection pieces like Teferi's Protection or something less "one shot" and also less traditional like a Eight-and-a-Half-Tails. I was wondering it wouldn't be worth a shot over the Karmic Justice let's say. I know is a good political card but i noticed sometimes it doesn't really matter for the opponent casting hate because he does not control a non-creature piece to suffer from the trigger, not to mention the creature hate that is not affected by it at all.

But to be honest this current build is running very smoothly for me. It somehow achieves consistency through the games, even without many tutors/draw options being a mono white deck. I'm getting a pretty good win rate even when playing against some high lvl decks (First Sliver, Medium Green, Urza etc), so overall this is a very competitive build imho. I've also noticed that when you're facing some decks that also runs a few stax pieces, we also benefit from the table slow down overall so, it's very interesting for me to see that we get advantage from another player's card, it's kinda like a virtual card advantage.

Anywayz, fun discussion man, as a enthusiast of mono white and mono red decks i appreciate this brew, keep it up!

NV_1980 on Avacyn's Angels of the Apocalypse

8 months ago


In an Avacyn deck, the main problem you're facing is getting her on the board and then keeping her there. We would therefore recommend you think about the following cards:

  • Cavern of Souls: makes all your Angels immune to countering; very expensive though.
  • Silence: of course, this can be countered by itself, but if it isn't you can summon Avacyn next with impunity.
  • Defense Grid: tax on spells that counter; wonderful!
  • Mana Web: forces opponents to use up way more mana sources than they might want to during their own turns, making less mana available for spell-casting.
  • Grand Abolisher: we second vasarto77's suggestion; please mainboard this because it is so good.
  • Mother of Runes/Giver of Runes/Eight-and-a-Half-Tails: great protection in case the greaves/boots are unavailable.
  • Shadowspear: not for your protection, but to deal with theirs in case they have it.

We hope you enjoy this feedback. Have fun with the brew. In case you are curious, here is our Avacyn deck.


Mrs. and Mr. NV_1980

JANKYARD_DOG on Maro's Core Set 2021 Teaser

8 months ago

List Continued

Note: re:Above list. Serra has no creature legendary so it may exclude her.

  1. Arcanis the Omnipotent
  2. Bosh, Iron Golem
  3. Dakkon Blackblade
  4. Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
  5. Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
  6. Higure, the Still Wind
  7. Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
  8. Jaya Ballard (one creature, 2 walkers)
  9. Karona, False God
  10. Kresh the Bloodbraided
  11. Lyzolda, the Blood Witch
  12. Malfegor
  13. Maralen of the Mornsong
  14. Mayael the Anima
  15. Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
  16. Morinfen
  17. Phage the Untouchable
  18. Raksha Golden Cub
  19. Reaper King
  20. Rith, the Awakener
  21. Sakashima the Impostor
  22. Seshiro the Anointed
  23. Sisters of Stone Death

So now figure out which ones are most likely to fit into Tefiri's Past/Lore. Still say Sidar is most likely, But Jaya as another creature card could be possible I suppose.

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